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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 8 12:43:46 2018 The New York City subway system is one of the largest in the world with nearly 6000 cars if we include work equipment. As a young railfan it seemed like Disneyland on rails. Even today there are always something new and endless surprises. There are many different type of equipment but even within a given car class there might one or several odd balls which did not quite fit in with the rest of the fleet. There were 150 R-15’s. Most of them looked alike but there was 6239 which had an experimental air-conditioning system installed in 1955. The a/c didn’t work in the long time and the car reverted back to standard fans, yet it was something to look out for. Ten R-17s, 6800-6809 were delivered with an a/c system as well. I f didn’t work either but the cars retained the red fan covers and the molded maroon hard bucket seats. Car 7715-7724 of the R-22 were delivered with coral pink molded fiberglass seats and speckled green interior. Fortunately the paint color wasn’t repeated. The famous R-33’s were a built as a group of 540 cars. Five hundred of these were built as single ended married pairs. They had gray fiberglass seats, drop sash windows and a brilliant tartar red paint scheme. They were of course known as “The Redbirds”. The last forty cars were built as double ended single units to make up eleven car trains on the Flushing Line. They featured picture windows and were painted in a blue and white paint scheme for the 1964 World’s Fair, hence they were known as “The Bluebirds”. The R-36 order was for 424 cars. 390 or these were built as “Bluebirds” for the Flushing Line with the trademark picture windows. The remaining 34 cars were built as “Redbirds for mainline operation with the drop sash windows. They had s slightly different interior paint scheme (same colors) and if you knew what you were looking for you could tell them from an R-33.At least ten (numbers needed) of the R-62 order had single bench seating as opposed to the bucket seats on the rest of the order.I’m sure that most of you can add much more to this list. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Apr 8 13:18:18 2018, in response to Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 8 12:43:46 2018. The 1960 rehabbed BMT Standards and the new 1960 Fifth Avenue Coach/Surface Transit GMC Fishbowls had the speckled green interiors also. It must have been the latest design trend at the time. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Apr 8 13:43:36 2018, in response to Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 8 12:43:46 2018. There were 100 R-15's built, not 150. The cars were #5953-5999 (47 cars), and #6200-6252 (53 cars).-William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Apr 8 14:24:53 2018, in response to Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 8 12:43:46 2018. IIRC, the TA took delivery of just 4 R-62 cars with bench seating. They were units #1587-1590. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 8 15:14:10 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by William A. Padron on Sun Apr 8 13:43:36 2018. Your absolutely right William, my bad. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Apr 8 15:45:59 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by William A. Padron on Sun Apr 8 13:43:36 2018. I remember at a point in the late 70s... It seemed like someone at E 180 Shops may have wanted to keep at least some of them operating together. I recall seeing a 10-car train many times with just R-14/R-15s. It was something like at least 7 R-14s and 3 R-15s |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Apr 8 16:28:52 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by WayneJay on Sun Apr 8 15:45:59 2018. Yes, I had photographed such a train exactly like that when it was in storage at East 180th Street Yard, plus most likely the same one in #2 line service at 96th-Broadway around the time you mentioned.-William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 8 16:37:41 2018, in response to Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 8 12:43:46 2018. The last 10 R-22 cars which were ordered with the fiberglass seats, speckled green interiors and rigidized doors were numbered 7515 -7524. The R-22s like many other cars orders came in out of numerical order with 7525 - 7749 coming in first and 7300 - 7524 coming in last. The reason the WF singles were part of the R-33 contract was that the people on the Flushing line were promised new cars by a certain time so those 40 cars were R-33 cars built with R-36 parts. After a sufficient number of WF cars were delivered, the left over R-33 parts were used to build the 40 R-36 mainline cars. Like the R-33 singles, the 10 R-17s that formerly had A/C were outfitted with fans manufactured by the Trane Co instead of the axiflow fans that the rest of the fleet had. As for the speckled green paint scheme of the last 10 R-22s "fortunately” not being repeated, I was actually disappointed that the speckled green was not used on the R-26s and later contracts since I thought it was a refreshing change from the 2 tone blue/grey paint that was standard on the post war fleet till the R-29s. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Apr 8 19:09:15 2018, in response to Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 8 12:43:46 2018. Post GOH, R29 8660 had an R62/R32 GOH inspired interior (bars instead of metal straps, more "finished" roof with less panels).There's also a very minor oddball scenario with the R142A (now R188s): The first 10 (possibly 20) Kawasaki built cars (7211-7220) originally had the end door lock near the ceiling rather than on the door handle, which is more the custom in Asia. You can see a square metal plate over where that lock was. For the current fleet, I think the bench seat R62s have since been turned normal, so the only oddballs are the experiments being done with R160s such as the flip up seats on the one eastern division set, and the removed end seats on the E. There's also the 13 R160B trains assigned to Coney Island with the Siemens propulsion system. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Apr 8 22:10:11 2018, in response to Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 8 12:43:46 2018. I was on one of the R62s with bench seating in February (#3 train). I thought they'd been changed out, LOL. Guess I was wrong.. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 8 22:58:27 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by William A. Padron on Sun Apr 8 16:28:52 2018. Are you sure it was the late 70s? As soon as the entire IRT was radio equipped, the IRT supt issued a bulletin banning the use of R-12s and 14s at the C/R positions due to the radio antennas being in the way of C/Rs mounting the steps. It wasn’t made clear whether it was due to C/R injuries or damage to the antennas but they were banned anyhow. Despite the fact that the R-15s had in cab door controls, it seemed that as what the road crews called “Queens cars” they were also kept from C/R positions. When the R-12s through 15s were retrofitted with the smaller antennas like those used on the R-10s, while assigned to the command center, I suggested that the R-12s and 14s could again be used at C/R positions but the IRT supt decided to leave the ban in place except for the 3 Av El which was 100% caps & triggers. I made this suggestion sometime before 1976 when I went back to the road so it’s doubtful that a train of all former “Queens cars” would have been assembled after that date. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Apr 9 06:00:23 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by MainR3664 on Sun Apr 8 22:10:11 2018. Oh wow, good to know. I might have been looking at the wrong cars (1487-1490 instead of 1587-1590). |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 9 08:22:42 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by randyo on Sun Apr 8 22:58:27 2018. Looking at my photos just now, I have them dated as being from 1980.-William A. Padron ["East 180th St."] |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Mon Apr 9 08:23:08 2018, in response to Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 8 12:43:46 2018. The speckled green walls & emerald green fan covers were a pleasant departure from the norm of blue/ gray. R17 6552 was also done in that color scheme.There were abot 10 R10s painted red; at least one R10 (3219?) painted orange & blue inside, as were a few R12/14s. And R21's had their cab doors swing open in reverse, that is, front to back instead of the normal back to front. One R10 had 3 and two seating. One R10 had air vents on the door windows. One R10 had lit up ad racks installed behind the motorman's cab at both ends. All this when the TA was energetic and had some sense of creativity. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 9 08:43:19 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by MainR3664 on Sun Apr 8 22:10:11 2018. The car was crowded, so I figured I'd note its # when I exited. But I had a lot going on that day, and it slipped my mind.I really thought it was the beginning of a seat replacement project on the R62/62A cars....too bad. Last week, I was on an R62A on the 1 (I forget the unit #, but it was definitely one of the usual cars on the 1- not reassigned from someplace) and the interior lighting was FREAKIN' SUPER BRIGHT!!! No other way to describe it than to use all caps. I was curious if they'd switched out the fluorescents in favor of LEDs- but when I looked closely at the lights, I could still see (I think) the darker spot at the end of the tubes, as is common with fluorescents, so no, probably not LEDs. I'm not sure if I liked it. I'm not normally a fan of 5,000 Kelvin lighting, but this is the subway, and bright lighting might discourage sleeping, thus deterring the homeless and making the good folks more aware of their surroundings. I also thought this would be the beginning of a trend, but now, I wonder- were a few cars just set to run the lights "hotter"? |
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Posted by Q4 on Mon Apr 9 09:25:46 2018, in response to Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 8 12:43:46 2018. Thanks for this. I wondered why the R36 Main Line differed (Red Bird versus Blue Bird paint scheme, drop down sash windows versus the picture windows) from the R36 WF cars . I didn't realize the small number (34) of R36 Mainline cars that were actually manufactured. I guess the thinking was to keep them looking more like the R33s which was prevalent on the main line. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 9 10:17:09 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 9 08:22:42 2018. The time period I'm thinking of... It would've likely been around '78-'80. While it would make since to have R-15s at the C/R position... I don't recall how they were positioned in the consist. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Apr 9 10:33:41 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by Q4 on Mon Apr 9 09:25:46 2018. You're welcome. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 14:28:22 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 9 08:22:42 2018. Even by 1980, the prohibition against “Queens cars” at the C/R position was still in place. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 14:42:22 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by r17-6599 on Mon Apr 9 08:23:08 2018. There was one either R-12 or R-14 (I’m not sure which) that had vents in the side door windows. The R-10 with the side window vents 3138 also had the bypass button in a slightly different location from the regular SMEEs. For some reason, there were only 9 R-10s painted red and the only reason I can think of for stopping the red paint scheme was that not too far after that, the TA went with the racing stripe scheme which was a superior paint scheme anyhow. Why the TA did not go with the racing stripe scheme on the rest of the fleet, I could never figure out, but on the rest of the fleet, tartar red was used on the cars that did get repainted. Another inconsistency was that while the IRT cars painted red were painted in the interior scheme of the R-36s, the BMT and IND cars repainted were done in the 2 tone blue/grey the way they were delivered. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 14:44:26 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 9 08:43:19 2018. I believe that as the fluorescent fall due for replacement, they are being replaced by LEDs. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 9 15:04:49 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 14:42:22 2018. It was IRT R-14 #5952 that had the vents in the side door windows. The side door windows on R-10 #3138 were all gone by 1986, and that car also became a GOH green-painted unit too.-William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 9 16:33:56 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 14:28:22 2018. In their last years the 1 & 3 lines seemed to have the most R-14 and R-15s. I do recall that whenever I saw them on those lines... they tended to a least a couple of them on the end of the consist. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 9 16:38:31 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 9 16:33:56 2018. In 1980 snd 1981, every time I took the 1 trainbto the armory on 168 or Van Cortlandt Park, they ALWAYS had those cars in the mix. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Apr 9 19:29:00 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 9 15:04:49 2018. Here are photos of 3138 and 5952 showing those side door vents (or the vents appear to be closed up):  (from nycsubway.org) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Apr 9 20:09:22 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by randyo on Sun Apr 8 22:58:27 2018. Talk about subway car discrimination... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Apr 9 20:13:29 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by William A. Padron on Mon Apr 9 15:04:49 2018. I'm still sticking with my story that I saw at least one R-10 with two round windows on each side door leaf. On one occasion an entire such train pulled in - going in the opposite direction, of course. They were wearing the half-and-half paint scheme, so they were most definitely Thunderbirds. And the trains were - what else? - Abbotts. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 20:15:14 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 9 16:33:56 2018. What I noticed about the consists is that it seemed the R-12s through 15s were in significant numbers on the 1,2,3,4 and 5 but none at all on the 6. The only singles on the 6 were R-17s with the R-21s and 22 also kept on the same lines as the 12s through 15s. |
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Posted by Asgard on Mon Apr 9 20:21:50 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Apr 9 20:13:29 2018. Could you have seen R-11 / R-34s? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 20:24:51 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by VictorM on Mon Apr 9 19:29:00 2018. That must be an early photo of 5952 since the heavy antennas like that one were replaced by the smaller ones like the R-10s had. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Apr 9 20:27:23 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by Asgard on Mon Apr 9 20:21:50 2018. Yea, I think that's what he saw! |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Mon Apr 9 22:11:17 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 20:24:51 2018. The R38s were delivered with the heavier steel type antenna. The smaller versions were adapted from NYCTA buses.WE-44 |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 23:55:26 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by Westcode44 on Mon Apr 9 22:11:17 2018. At the time the R-38s were delivered, there was only one type of antenna in use in the subway and that was what was used. The IRT cars were equipped with Motorola radio brackets and antennas as were the R-38s since Motorola got the contract for outfitting the entire IRT with radio equipment. Subsequently, GE got the contract for the BMT and IND so the R-38s (and 40s and 42s as well) had to have GE radio brackets wired to the existing Motorola brackets. Older IND cars only had to have GE radio brackets installed since they had no previous radio equipment. The Radio antennas installed on the BMT/IND equipment were smaller and more compact than the IRT ones so except for the R-38s which already had the Motorola brackets installed, all the BMT/IND antennas were the small type which caused no problem with the C/Rs mounting the steps on the R-10s.The R-1/9s had their antennas installed next to the bulkhead doors since they had windows where the antennas would go on the SMEES. The R-32s also had their antennas located similarly to the R-9s since the corrugations on the R-32 fronts offered no place to mount the antennas. The smaller GE antennas were subsequently installed on the R-12s through 15s (although the 15s really didn’t need them) but as I mentioned in another post, except for the 3 Av El, the IRT supt decided to keep the R-12s 14s and even the 15s away from C/R positions. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Apr 10 09:35:40 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 20:15:14 2018. No, that's not true. The 6 train had R22s ~7450-7499 assigned to it as well (lower 7400s were assigned to the 3) right up until 1987. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 10 14:20:14 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Apr 10 09:35:40 2018. That would make some sense, but I never personally saw any of them there. The only time I remember seeing an R-22 on the Pelham Line was circa 1958 when they were brand new and there was only one of them in a trains of R-17s. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 11 06:58:44 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 20:15:14 2018. As a kid, I didn't know one SMEE car from another. But looking at the pics on nycsubway.org as well as a few books I have at home, I tend to agree with you. I associate the R17 with the 6, and the R21/22 with the 1-5 routes. I know the Third Avenue El ran R12s for its last years,. As for what happened to the R12/14/15 after that- I'll take your word for it. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 11 08:46:02 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 11 06:58:44 2018. Somehow, one R-15 did show up on a #6 line run in 1970...R-15 #6221, Elder Avenue, IRT Pelham Line, 3/30/1970. -William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 11 08:48:42 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by Elkeeper on Mon Apr 9 20:27:23 2018. Someone would have to provide documentation (or non-photo shopped image proof) that an R-10 had the side porthole windows on the doors. I inquired about this to two other veteran rail fans, and they both doubt or never seen that notion.-William A. Padron ["#3138"] |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 13:39:45 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 11 08:48:42 2018. I think an R12 (or perhaps an R17) may have had some vent louvers on the lower half of its rectangular door windows. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 14:20:43 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 13:39:45 2018. It was an R-14 and an R-10 3138 had similar vents. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Apr 14 11:18:43 2018, in response to Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Apr 8 12:43:46 2018. OK, another R-10 oddity, and as confirmed by the October 1958 edition of the ERA "Headlights" magazine, there was an "A" train that had apple-scented perfumed discs coming somewhere each from inside the cars. They were (and as kept together) #3036, #3264, #1826, #3326, #3001, #3143, #3097, #3175, #3262 and #3002.From the DeHart/Cunningham IND book published in 1977, the cars were first used in IND "A" train service on Tuesday, June 10, 1958. It was all part of a promotional campaign, where a company would offer a consumer, who bought soap products from, three coupons in exchanged for one free token. It was to have lasted to the end of the calendar year of 1958. -William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Apr 14 11:45:17 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by r17-6599 on Mon Apr 9 08:23:08 2018. The red cars, as I can confirm from the ERA NYD Bulletin out of a past issue...#1822, #1825, #1850, #3099, #3101, #3139, #3234, #3334 and #3342. #3219 was given a listing as a red car based upon what was posted on eBay, and all those cars were repainted with the darker blue doors, orange wall panels and white ceiling, the official NYC colors. R-7 #1741 and R-14 #5837 were also repainted with the blue/orange/white interior scheme. -William A. Padron ["IND"] |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Apr 14 13:03:31 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by William A. Padron on Sat Apr 14 11:18:43 2018. William: One car we haven't mentioned was R-10 3221. She was a victim of the "mad bomber" on November 6, 1960. He planted a bomb underneath the single seat opposite the cab at the no. 1 end on a southbound "A" train. The bomb went off at the 125th Street station killing on passenger and injuring several others. The car suffered a fair amount of damage but was repaired and returned to service by April 1961. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by pelham Exp on Sun Apr 15 13:35:29 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by randyo on Tue Apr 10 14:20:14 2018. Actually the 6 ran Ran 17's in the 70's and early 80's. The R22's came came later on in the mid 80's during GOH |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Apr 15 16:09:49 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by William A. Padron on Wed Apr 11 08:46:02 2018. And.....there's also an R21 that I didn't associate with the 6 train, LOL |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 15 18:23:23 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by pelham Exp on Sun Apr 15 13:35:29 2018. That’s why I don’t remember seeing them. By the late 80s, I was back in the schedule office and didn’t get to that part of the road much. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 15 18:25:41 2018, in response to Re: Subway Oddballs (Not the two legged kind), posted by pelham Exp on Sun Apr 15 13:35:29 2018. Since you mentioned the GOH, I have often wondered why the oldest of the R-17 through 22 cars, the R-17s were redbirdized while the newest of the group, the R-22s were not. |
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