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Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan? |
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Posted by geoffc on Wed Apr 11 09:32:39 2018 Why is the B local in Manhattan, express in Brooklyn, and the converse for the Q?Is that the only example of local/express swaps? (E is express in both Brooklyn/Manhattan, but not very express in Manhattan). F, N, and R do not have express's on shared tracks in Brooklyn. Maybe the 2/3/4/5 and their splits as well might count, except that the Manhattan locals terminate in Manhattan (1/6). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 10:02:18 2018, in response to Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by geoffc on Wed Apr 11 09:32:39 2018. I don't know what you're talking about as the E is not at all express in Manhattan and the B is express in the same area that the Q is express. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 10:07:29 2018, in response to Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by geoffc on Wed Apr 11 09:32:39 2018. Terminating service at Brighton Beach must be the express, and also be the part time service so that the full time service has a constant Coney Island terminus.They did the opposite for a while in late 1967 and part of 1968, and it was a mess.Bway Bridge trains are usually expresses in Manhattan, and Uptown IND trains are usually 6th Avenue expresses. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Apr 11 10:19:20 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 10:02:18 2018. and the B is express in the same area that the Q is express.Huh? The B is express on the Brighton line, where the Q runs local. If you mean that the B is express on Sixth Avenue and the Q is express on Broadway, that's a good point. |
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Posted by geoffc on Wed Apr 11 10:38:47 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by fdtutf on Wed Apr 11 10:19:20 2018. I see what you mean. I guess I consider the B a local because the 59th-125th run. The number one really great Express run in the system.I did not think about the B/Q being express on 6th Ave/Broadway, I was focussing on the upper manhattan stretch. So is the B a local or express in Manhattan? I see the confusion. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Apr 11 11:04:22 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 10:07:29 2018. The Brighton part definitely makes sense. I loved it when the D was the Brighton express on weekdays, but I guess it made sense when it became the Brighton local at all times.I guess some could find it confusing or just odd that a particular route would be express on it's Manhattan trunk line, then local in Brooklyn and vice/versa. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 11 11:12:21 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 10:07:29 2018. It all depends on the branch that you are running on. A train need not be all express or all local for its entire route.ALL trains on 6th Avenue are Express, some just make more stops than others. If you look at a 1960s map 14th and 23rd are listed as EXPRESS stops. What controls now is the northern terminus. Trains to the Bronx run on what you might call the express tracks, trains to Queens run on what you might call the local tracks. It does not matter if the trtain is local or express elsewhere. As far as the South Brooklyn routes go, the FULL time train makes ALL STOPS while the part-time service makes express stops. The (E) is express in Queens and USED TO BE EXPRESS on 8th Avenue but is done differently now in order to get into the Hudson Terminal. If the (C) would go into the Hudson Terminal then the (E) could run on the Express. IND theory suggests that all trains make all stops in the CBD, but then their theory never worked very well anyway. ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 11:17:12 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 11 11:12:21 2018. IND had too many express stops. I have heard theories that their Canal Street was an express stop so as to skim business away from the BMT's complex. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 11:34:08 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by geoffc on Wed Apr 11 10:38:47 2018. The B is a "Sixth Avenue Express". CPW is a branch line. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 11:36:28 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 10:07:29 2018. Not responsive to his post. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 12:06:12 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 11:36:28 2018. Yes it is.I explained what conditions constitutes an express in Brooklyn and an express in Manhattan and they are not to be the same train.. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 12:10:07 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by geoffc on Wed Apr 11 10:38:47 2018. CPW is equivalent to the Queens Blvd Line.A 6th Avenue express can be either a CPW local or express. (B, D). A 6th Avenue local can be either a Queen Blvd local or express (M, F) |
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Posted by andy on Wed Apr 11 12:15:29 2018, in response to Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by geoffc on Wed Apr 11 09:32:39 2018. Goes back to the 2004 restoration of 4 track service on the Manhattan Bridge. It was decided the equalize the Broadway and Sixth Avenue services crossing the Bridge, and to respond the residents along the Brighton Line who wanted full-time service to and from the Broadway BMT, the way it was before Chrystie Street. The Q became the full-time service, all local stops, to/from Coney Island. Its north terminals were Astoria or 57th St. before the Q went to 2nd Ave., which was a seamless change. Because the Brighton Express service was weekdays only, it was logical to marry that (today’s B) with the IND local service along Central Park West and the Grand Concourse, which also was weekday only.The other two Manhattan Bridge services are the N (Broadway side) and the D (6th Ave. side), thus giving two weekday services on each side. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 12:22:33 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by andy on Wed Apr 11 12:15:29 2018. The present day Q is much like the old QB as far as Brooklyn, the Bridge, and Manhattan go.The 6th Avenue line gets badly whacked on weekends. 2 of 4 routes go away, yet the 8th Avenue line retains all 3. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 11 12:45:18 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 11 11:12:21 2018. ALL trains on 6th Avenue are Express, some just make more stops than others.Incorrect. B and D are express. F and M are local. If you look at a 1960s map 14th and 23rd are listed as EXPRESS stops. And it also shows the Third Avenue el in the Bronx. Does that mean I can still ride it? |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 11 12:50:11 2018, in response to Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by geoffc on Wed Apr 11 09:32:39 2018. Why is the B local in Manhattan, express in Brooklyn, and the converse for the Q?B is express on 6th Avenue in Manhattan. It's express in Brooklyn because it's more convenient for the part-time route to be express. Q is local in Brooklyn because it's the full-time route and express in Manhattan because that means less switching. Is that the only example of local/express swaps? (E is express in both Brooklyn/Manhattan, but not very express in Manhattan). E is local in Manhattan, express in Queens, does not go to Brooklyn. F is local in Manhattan but express in Queens. <6> is local in Manhattan but express in the Bronx. Not sure if that counts per your definition. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 12:58:09 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 11 12:50:11 2018. The <6> is local in Manhattan but express in the Bronx while the 4 is express in Manhattan and local in the Bronx. So that is what he's talking about. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 14:23:19 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 11:34:08 2018. Actually, you can’t really call CPW a branch line since it is the only west side IND line N/O 59 St. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 14:27:31 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by WayneJay on Wed Apr 11 11:04:22 2018. In NYC it used to be standard for the expresses to go through to the farthest point possible on a line while the locals short turned somewhere. The only exceptions I can think of are the IRT E/Pky line where the expresses turn at Utica while the lcls go to N/Lts and the Brighton Line where the expresses turn at BBC and the lcls go through to Stl. I believe that in Philly on the Broad St Line, the locals also go through while the expresses short turn. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 14:36:18 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 11:17:12 2018. The IND wasn’t necessarily designed to provide speed on its express routes so much as it was to provide capacity on a 4 track line. As originally planned, the SAS was supposed to actually have SIX tracks in some places since it would have been the only east side subway line replacing 2 elevated lines while on the west side, the 2 elevated lines were replaced by 2 subway lines, the 6th and 8th Ave. What is interesting is that in Queens, the branches to the Rockaways were planned to connect to the local tracks with no way to conveniently connect them the the express tracks. Had the connections at Roosevelt and/or 63 Dr been built the travel time to the Rockaways from midtown Manhattan would have definitely exceeded the time it takes by using the current route through Bkln. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 14:38:40 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 11 12:45:18 2018. Prior to 1967, there were no express tracks at all on 6 Ave so 14 and 23 were of course express stops since the only trains that stooped there were expresses somewhere along their routes. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 14:51:13 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 10:07:29 2018. Prior to 1967, the BMT and IND had different standards for determining what constitutes a local and an express. On the IND a train that ran express anywhere on its route was considered an express and carried the single letter of an express service even though it might run local on some portion of its line like the E which ran exp in Queens but lcl in Manhattan except during rush hours. Trains that were 100% lcl for their entire route like the AA, BB, CC, and GG and had no express running at all carried the double letter of a local. The BMT, on the other hand often called trains local or express depending on what they did on their branch lines. Years ago when the Brighton Exp stopped running the Brighton locals would run via the tunnel and even though signed up “Brighton Lcl” ran express in Manhattan like the post Chrystie QB and today’s Q do. Even then, some BMT lines were slightly misnamed since neither the Sea Beach Express nor West End Express ran express on their branch lines but ran express only on Bway in Manhattan and 4 Ave in Bkln. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 14:56:43 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 12:58:09 2018. However there are only 2 IRT lines that have a Bronx express service, the 5 and the 6. Until a few years ago, both the 5 and 6 had a service pattern that had both local and express service operating simultaneously on both lines. At one point it was decided to have all rush hour 5s operate exp in the Bx in the peak direction of traffic leaving only the 2 to provide the lcl service. Since the 6 is the only service on its branch it has to have both a local and exp service in the Bx. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 15:16:28 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 14:36:18 2018. But at least it would have served the Ozone Park - White Pot segment.IND planners expected locals to merely be feeders to expresses at express stops. |
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Posted by geoffc on Wed Apr 11 15:37:54 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 11:34:08 2018. I take a more holistic approach to subway lines. :) I see the entirety of the line. Not the individual components.But your way makes more sense and explains my issue. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Apr 11 15:41:08 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 14:23:19 2018. B is express because when it runs through the central business district of Manhattan it is Express same for Q.E is local same reason. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Wed Apr 11 16:41:27 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 12:06:12 2018. Your explanation is the answer to the question. To expand on your part time explanation it also explains why the B runs local on the CPW line as all part time lines do during the day. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 11 16:49:52 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 11 12:45:18 2018. No... The (B) and (D) trains are BRONX bound trains and the (F) and (M) are Queens Trains. That the Queens trains make 14th and 23rd is irrelevant to the operation of the 6th Avenue Line. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 11 16:53:37 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 11 16:49:52 2018. That the Queens trains make 14th and 23rd is irrelevant to the operation of the 6th Avenue Line.??? I don't think a train on the northbound express track can access 53rd Street. So Queens Plaza bound trains have to go through the 14th and 23rd street stations unless you want to do extra switching. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 18:09:43 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 14:23:19 2018. So? The Queens Boulevard line is the only Queens IND line E/O the East River. Still branch line. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 11 18:35:18 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 11:17:12 2018. The IND was built the it was in Manhattan to induce local riders to stay on board their trains to their final destination. Thus you have a bare minimum of local-only stops in Midtown (used to be three, now five) and north of 59th St. it's a nonstop express run all the way to 125th. Aside from being the best express dash in the city at one time, it built that way so that local riders boarding below 125th would have little or no advantage changing to an express. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 11 18:37:43 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 11 14:51:13 2018. Sea Beach Fred would have a stroke if anyone even dared to say, Sea Beach Local.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 11 18:39:32 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 12:22:33 2018. The pre-Chrystie QB was a late-night and weekend local, holding down the fort on the Brighton line all by its lonesome and running local in Manhattan as well. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 19:01:56 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 11 18:39:32 2018. I remember it as express in Manhattan on weekends, but that was 50 years ago. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 11 19:27:06 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 11 18:35:18 2018. Thus you have a bare minimum of local-only stops in Midtown (used to be three, now five)??? 8/50 I suppose 8/23 is midtown, and 6/23 since Chrystie Street What else? |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 20:48:01 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 11 19:27:06 2018. 6/576/14 Lex/63? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 12 00:28:31 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 11 16:49:52 2018. No... The (B) and (D) trains are BRONX bound trains and the (F) and (M) are Queens Trains. That the Queens trains make 14th and 23rd is irrelevant to the operation of the 6th Avenue Line.That the B and D are going to the Bronx and the F and M are going to Queens does not change the fact that the B and D are express and the F and M are local. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Thu Apr 12 05:08:59 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 11 12:50:11 2018. ...and don't forget. The 2 and 3 are locals in Brooklyn and expresses in Manhattan above Chambers Street while the 4 and 5 are expresses on Eastern Parkay. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 12 09:10:38 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 11 20:48:01 2018. All trains stop at 6/57 and Lex/53. 6/14 is not midtown.Not a big deal - I just don't know what he's talking about. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 12 12:04:04 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 12 09:10:38 2018. Not a big deal - I just don't know what he's talking about.I really think you do. It's quite clear he meant 8/50, 8/23, 6/23, 6/14, and Spring Street. Since the 6th Avenue express tracks didn't open until the 1960s, that means there used to be three and are now five; that is also consistent with his commentary on the IND being built with inspiration from commuter systems where both locals and expresses make nearly all stops within the central business district(s) themselves. If you really feel the need to whine about the technical imprecision of the term "midtown," you can do that in a single sentence rather than pretend you can't understand the entire post because of that one word. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 12 12:07:38 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 11 18:35:18 2018. The IND was built the it was in Manhattan to induce local riders to stay on board their trains to their final destination. Thus you have a bare minimum of local-only stops in Midtown (used to be three, now five) and north of 59th St. it's a nonstop express run all the way to 125th. Aside from being the best express dash in the city at one time, it built that way so that local riders boarding below 125th would have little or no advantage changing to an express.It sort of takes inspiration from commuter railroads. Within the central business districts, all trains make all or nearly all stops; beyond that, there are two "zones" where locals make all stops to the end of the first zone and terminate while expresses make very few stops within the first zone and then all stops in the second. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 12 12:36:47 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 12 12:04:04 2018. I have never in my life thought of 14th Street or Spring Street as being in midtown. Note that another poster didn't understand it that way either.But OK, then it makes sense. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Thu Apr 12 12:54:31 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 11 16:53:37 2018. At Rock Center, nb express can go to 63rd. Nb express can only get to 53rd by switching to the local s/o 42nd. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 12 13:01:33 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Thu Apr 12 12:54:31 2018. Exactly. That was my understanding too. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 12 15:07:41 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 11 18:09:43 2018. It’s only a “branch line” since the Manhattan centric mentality of the city considers all lines in the outer boroughs branch lines. Think about the signage that the TA imposed on the R-27s and up. The signs for the J, original KK and M were signed “Nassau St” even though the only portion of those lines actually on Nassau St itself was the short distance between just N/O Broad St and a few blocks S/O the station. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 12 15:09:53 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 11 18:37:43 2018. From what I have heard, the privates ran no express service during midnight hours so a “Sea Beach Lcl” did operate during those times. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 12 15:24:00 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 11 15:16:28 2018. That may be true, but why should passengers who have to travel the longest distances be the ones having to change? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 12 15:26:45 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 12 15:07:41 2018. The mentality isn't just Manhattan-centric, it's core-centric, where the core stretches from the Battery to 60th Street.This makes sense - that is the area of high density work locations. It's the area with an intricate network of intersecting lines, with just about every location (except parts of Alphabet City and the far west side) less than half a mile from a stop. Only downtown Brooklyn and Queens Plaza/Court Square don't fit into this model of core vs. non-core. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 12 15:29:43 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 12 15:24:00 2018. Yes, why did they ever set it up that way in the first place? Ditto Utica Ave. It's a bit cheaper but it causes a permanent disadvantage. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 12 15:50:49 2018, in response to Re: Why are the Q and B local/express swapped Brooklyn/Manhattan?, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 12 12:36:47 2018. Spring St may not be kn midtown, but I would think that 14 St would count. |
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