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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Apr 3 08:15:06 2018 Not surprising...MTA Runs Low on Funds, Cuts Back Station-Upgrade Program. -William A. Padron ["163"] |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Apr 3 10:41:59 2018, in response to Those EIS Stations...MTA Running Out Of Money!, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Apr 3 08:15:06 2018. Well, waddaya know. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Apr 3 10:55:46 2018, in response to Those EIS Stations...MTA Running Out Of Money!, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Apr 3 08:15:06 2018. Does the article specify about the stations? It is behind a paywall. Thanks. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Apr 3 11:07:52 2018, in response to Those EIS Stations...MTA Running Out Of Money!, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Apr 3 08:15:06 2018. Not surprising of rot, especially at elevated stations. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Apr 3 11:53:51 2018, in response to Re: Those EIS Stations...MTA Running Out Of Money!, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Apr 3 10:55:46 2018. The article itself..."New York Subway Cuts Back Plans to Renovate Stations The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is running out of funds to renovate 32 subway stations so the MTA will renovate 20 and postpone the others A woman walks past weathered and worn corrugated metal walls of the 39 Avenue-Beebe Avenue subway stop in Queens, N.Y. on April 2, 2018. Plans to renovate 32 stations have been scaled back because of lack of funding. Photo: Mark Kauzlarich for The Wall Street Journal . By Paul Berger April 3, 2018 5:32 a.m. ET The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is running out of funds for a controversial program to renovate 32 subway stations and will scale it back as a result. MTA chairman Joe Lhota said Monday that most of the program’s $936 million budget has been used for the 19 stations completed or under way. Mr. Lhota said costs rose after contractors began work on stations and discovered “infrastructure rot” that broadened the scope of work. Under the original plan, the renovations would have cost an average of $28 million per station. The current average cost for each station is $43 million. “We live in a world of limited funding,” Mr. Lhota said. “We need to make decisions about how we use that funding.” The MTA will have spent about $850 million for the renovations to 19 stations and the Richmond Valley station on the Staten Island Railway. That leaves 13 targeted subway stations without any funding. They will have to wait for the MTA’s next five-year spending plan, Mr. Lhota said, which starts in 2020. The so-called enhanced-station initiative was championed by New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo when it launched in the summer of 2016. Mr. Cuomo’s office declined to comment. His administration touted cleaner, brighter and easier-to-navigate stations with new lighting, digital signage, USB ports and artwork. Some transit advocates as well as several MTA board members criticized the program as a poor use of scarce funds when the agency should be focused on improving subway service. Critics said the MTA could better spend its money modernizing the subway’s signal system, which would reduce delays and allow trains to run faster and more frequently. They also said the MTA should focus on adding elevators. Currently, only one-quarter of the subway’s 472 stations are accessible to people with disabilities. People pass new artwork and benches at the Prospect Avenue subway stop on the R line in Brooklyn, N.Y. on Monday, April 2, 2018. Photo: Mark Kauzlarich for The Wall Street Journal . The MTA expects that about $90 million will be left over from the program, which will be transferred to projects that make stations more accessible, an MTA spokesman said. Earlier this year, MTA board members representing Mayor Bill de Blasio voted against contracts to upgrade eight stations in the program at a cost of more than $200 million. But the measure passed the full board. On Monday, Carl Weisbrod, a commissioner who represents New York City, said the program was “ill-conceived,” and that he is glad it has come to an end. . “I don’t know when the MTA management realized that the program had run out of money but it would’ve been helpful to have informed the board when this matter was under discussion,” he said. Mr. Lhota said he was aware of the increased costs last year, but he chose not to mention it until now. “I didn’t think it was relevant to the debate,” he said. At a board presentation in February, the MTA’s new head of the subway, Andy Byford, said the program was more than just cosmetic. He pointed to major repairs that were being carried out on platforms, station walls and stairways. He also cited degraded steelwork on the Astoria line, which carries the N and W trains in Queens. State Sen. Michael Gianaris, whose district includes the Astoria line, said his constituents aren’t pleased with the station-enhancement program because elevators weren’t included despite the MTA spending $200 million to upgrade four stations on an elevated line. The MTA closes two stations at a time while renovations are carried out. Since the stations at 30th Avenue and 36th Avenue closed last fall, Mr. Gianaris said eight businesses have closed because of the loss of foot traffic. The stations are due to reopen this summer. The renovations “have been a real problem for communities throughout New York,” Mr. Gianaris said, questioning why the program’s costs have increased. “Were they purposefully underestimating the cost at the outset to downplay how expensive it would be?” he said. “Or has something happened in the last year that raises questions about how they budget and how they spend their money?” Mr. Lhota said the need to expand the scope of work only became clear once renovations began and the need for extensive repairs became apparent. “Given the fact that the stations haven’t been closed in some time, this was going to be the only shot,” he said. The Lucky Stations These stations have been renovated or renovations are underway 53rd Street: R line Bay Ridge Ave: R line Prospect Ave: R line 30 Ave: N/W 36 Ave: N/W 39 Ave: N/W Broadway: N/W 163 St Amsterdam Ave: C 72nd Street: B/C 86th Street: B/C Cathedral Parkway: B/C 23rd Street: F/M 28th Street: 6 57th Street: F/M 34th-Street Penn Station: 1/2/3 34th-Street Penn Station: A/C/E 145th Street: 3 167th Street: B/D 174th-175th Streets: B/D Richmond Valley, Staten Island Railway" . -William A. Padron ["163"] |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Apr 3 12:20:17 2018, in response to Re: Those EIS Stations...MTA Running Out Of Money!, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Apr 3 11:53:51 2018. Thanks! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 3 12:20:43 2018, in response to Those EIS Stations...MTA Running Out Of Money!, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Apr 3 08:15:06 2018. If you want real "Infrastructure rot", let them start on Chambers St on the J/Z! But, they are too afraid to do that station! |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 3 14:48:11 2018, in response to Re: Those EIS Stations...MTA Running Out Of Money!, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Apr 3 11:53:51 2018. Many of the station renovations are entirely unnecessary. In many cases all that needs to be done is to lean and patch up a few tiles on the existing station walls. A lot of money was wasted on the Bway and 4 Av stations of the BMT during the platform extensions when all that needed to be done was to match the extensions with the original tile work. Even more money was wasted to restore some of the Bway stations to match their original pre 1969 condition. As for the need to replace the signaling, most of the signals on the system are relatively new and do not go back to the 1930s as the know nothing management of the MTA alleges. With the possible exception of the Wh Pl Rd line of the IRT (which may now have had all new signaling installed since I was there last) the entire IRT and BMT are completely push button and state of the art with the possible exception of the Bway Subway which had its current signaling installed in the early 1960s. Even the BMT signaling on Bway is more modern that the MTA suits seem to think. The oldest signaling is on the IND and that is in the process of being upgraded including the installation of CBTC on Queens Blvd. The last of the old conventional signaling on the IND is in Bkln between Hoyt and Bway Jct (ENY). Even the ”old” signaling S/O there is post WWII. If yo red the news articles and watch the TV news, yo will note that the recent spate of signal failures is on lines that have recently had the newest signal equipment installed. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 3 15:17:09 2018, in response to Re: Those EIS Stations...MTA Running Out Of Money!, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 3 12:20:43 2018. At this point I think they're hoping it collapses in on itself so they can collect insurance money and rebuild it without regard to anything "historic". |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 3 18:17:45 2018, in response to Re: Those EIS Stations...MTA Running Out Of Money!, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Apr 3 15:17:09 2018. If it collapses on itself what will become of the J service? If the damage is that severe, Js won’t be able to access Fulton or Broad St and thanks to the shortsightedness of MTA planners, Canal St can no longer be used to turn back trains leaving only Essex and that would be problematic due to the M service running through there. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Apr 4 08:08:15 2018, in response to Re: Those EIS Stations...MTA Running Out Of Money!, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 3 12:20:43 2018. Fixing Chambers St would probably mean having to first completely renovate the 27 story Municipal Bldg above the station to end the chronic water leakage problem before any work could be done on the station itself. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 4 09:18:24 2018, in response to Re: Those EIS Stations...MTA Running Out Of Money!, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 3 18:17:45 2018. They could try deadheading into Chambers, depending on the extent of the "collapse". Personally, I think they should start with a good cleaning and painting. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 15:15:30 2018, in response to Re: Those EIS Stations...MTA Running Out Of Money!, posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 4 09:18:24 2018. Chances are a good sanding, cleaning and painting coupled with a good application of a good quality water seal would do a lot towards improving the condition of the station before any more extensive work is considered. A closing off of the now abandoned Jamaica bound outer platform behind a false wall and a retiling of the Broad St bound wall both with tiles based on the original design would definitely be in order. |
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