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Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by heypaul on Tue Mar 13 21:26:59 2018 $28M for Cosmetics, Not a Cent for ElevatorHave disabled people ever blocked all entry points to a facilities for non disabled people? It might be an effective way to make their difficulties more palpable to people. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 01:00:33 2018, in response to Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by heypaul on Tue Mar 13 21:26:59 2018. With this suit, look for similar suits about the stations being renovated on other lines like Bay Ridge Av and 53 St on the R. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by Dan on Wed Mar 14 11:15:47 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 01:00:33 2018. I understand their point but the MTA doesn't have unlimited funds to spend. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 12:25:50 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Dan on Wed Mar 14 11:15:47 2018. Too bad. ADA makes clear that public facilities are mandated to be accessible. The cost excuse would apply to Braille signage, and many other accomodations. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 12:27:52 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 01:00:33 2018. Laws are onlyas real as they areenforced. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 13:23:50 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 12:25:50 2018. Expect the federal government was forced to accept that some stations can’t be modified, and agreed that only high traffic stations were under mandate. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by BusRider on Wed Mar 14 14:21:51 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 13:23:50 2018. Are there any stations that can not have elevators installed, due to infrastructure? |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 15:22:27 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 13:23:50 2018. I suspect that with 2 bus lines intersecting it, that Bay Ridge Ave would be relatively high traffic. I also can’t see the federal government being “forced” to accept anything. If the MTA were to male such a case, it would have to prove to the satisfaction of the feds that such modification is in fact impossible and not just difficult. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 15:23:48 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by BusRider on Wed Mar 14 14:21:51 2018. Few, if any. If a stairway can exist, then an elevator can also. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 15:42:26 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 15:23:48 2018. Well, the Jamaica line between Alabama and Crescent springs to mind immediately.Narrow island platforms with platform level fare control. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 14 15:51:56 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 15:23:48 2018. Then why don't the 4/5/6 at 14th and 42nd have elevators? If any platforms would deserve elevators, it would be those. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 15:55:12 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 15:42:26 2018. How do the stairs get from the sidewalk to the island platforms? |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 15:59:40 2018, in response to Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by heypaul on Tue Mar 13 21:26:59 2018. MTA apparently ignored FTA requests to install elevators. NY Times article says this:From nearly the outset of the plan to renovate Middletown Road, the Federal Transit Administration had pushed the M.T.A. to make the station accessible over the course of a series of back-and-forth exchanges between the agencies that began in 2012, according to a federal complaint. The M.T.A. contended that installing elevators at the station, which was built in 1920, was not possible and would be too expensive. The federal transit agency countered by conducting its own study that it said showed that installing elevators was feasible. At one point, the federal transit agency sought input from the city’s Department of Transportation, which told federal officials that installing elevators could have been incorporated into the designs for the station’s renovation. As early as 2012, the Federal Transit Administration had pushed the M.T.A. to make the Middletown Road station accessible as part of its renovation. Nevertheless, the M.T.A. went ahead and completed the work. But the agency’s request to the federal government for reimbursement for the work was denied because of the lack of elevators. The M.T.A. declined to comment about why it ignored the federal agency’s recommendations on accessibility, but spoke generally about its efforts to make the subway system more welcoming to the disabled. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 16:02:37 2018, in response to Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by heypaul on Tue Mar 13 21:26:59 2018. More - from Govt. press release:The United States’ Complaint alleges that MTA and NYCTA violated the ADA by failing to install an elevator at the Middletown Road subway station serving the Pelham Bay neighborhood in the Bronx, despite spending more than $27 million on renovations of the station. The renovations included replacing floors, walls, ceilings, and stairs leading to the street and platform. Prior to beginning construction, the FTA and the U.S. Department of Transportation corresponded with MTA and NYCTA about their obligation to install an elevator at the station unless the MTA and NYCTA could demonstrate that it was technically infeasible to do so. While that dialogue continued, and after the FTA had informed NYCTA that NYCTA’s analysis of the feasibility of installing an elevator was insufficient, MTA and NYCTA completed the renovation without installing an elevator and sought reimbursement from FTA for the cost of the renovation. FTA ultimately concluded that it would have been technically feasible for MTA and NYCTA to install one or more elevators at the station. As a result of MTA’s and NYCTA’s failure to install an elevator at the Middletown Road station, individuals with mobility impairments, including individuals who use wheelchairs, are unable to access the station. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by LA Scott on Wed Mar 14 16:08:25 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by AlM on Wed Mar 14 15:51:56 2018. 42nd has elevators.I assume 14th does not have them because the use of gap fillers means they would fail ADA anyway. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 16:14:34 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by LA Scott on Wed Mar 14 16:08:25 2018. Yes and no. Gap fillers would be a problem for wheelchairs, but there are plenty of disabled or elderly who use canes, for instance, or can't climb stairs, who can get over the gap fillers. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 14 16:15:50 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by BusRider on Wed Mar 14 14:21:51 2018. Are there any stations that can not have elevators installed, due to infrastructure?Newkirk Plaza comes to mind. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 14 16:24:27 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 15:55:12 2018. Stairwats can twist and bend, elevators can not. Unless the elevator is in the middle of the street |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 14 16:24:44 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 15:55:12 2018. Stairways can twist and bend, elevators can not. Unless the elevator is in the middle of the street |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 14 16:25:27 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 16:14:34 2018. And not all of southbound 14th has gap fillers. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 14 16:27:08 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by AlM on Wed Mar 14 16:25:27 2018. Actually, I think it's only southbound on the 456? |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 16:29:29 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 15:55:12 2018. they fork at a landing |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 14 16:49:07 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 14 16:27:08 2018. That was my point. Not all of southbound has gap fillers. None of northbound has gap fillers. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 17:15:59 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by The Silence on Wed Mar 14 15:42:26 2018. Well, there are always ways. For instance, elevator from sidewalks to a new overpass over the tracks, then another elevator down to the plats. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 17:34:31 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 14 16:24:27 2018. Then you may need more than one elevator. |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 17:45:34 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 14 16:15:50 2018. I haven’t been there in a while, but it seems to me that one of the stairways could be replaced by an elevator. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 14 18:58:59 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 17:45:34 2018. I haven’t been there in a while, but it seems to me that one of the stairways could be replaced by an elevator.You need both stairways at that station. Next time drop by and look for yourself and see if I'm right. The platform is too narrow for wheel chairs to go around any elevator. In fact that platform is too narrow period. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Mar 14 19:45:47 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by AlM on Wed Mar 14 16:49:07 2018. Correct |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 19:50:15 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 17:34:31 2018. yup. Many BART stations have one elevator from sidewalk to fare mezzanine and a separate one from there to platform. And, one might remember that parents w/children in strollers also benefit. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 19:52:16 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 14 18:58:59 2018. So, if I understand you correctly, the station needs serious modification for ALL passengers' convenience. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 01:37:03 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 17:15:59 2018. Like Junction Boulevard. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 09:03:12 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 19:52:16 2018. The cost outweighs the benefit |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:53:34 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 19:52:16 2018. So, if I understand you correctly, the station needs serious modification for ALL passengers' convenience.In my opinion, yes. Have you seen Newkirk Plaza station and making it ADA compliant is very difficult or impossible ? Bill Newkirk |
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Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:58:38 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by BusRider on Wed Mar 14 14:21:51 2018. Are there any stations that can not have elevators installed, due to infrastructure?From someone I know: 1) Smith and 9th has two sets of escalators with a 90 degree turn between the two sets of escalators and then stairs from the crossunder and then stairs to each platform-- 4 elevators would be needed.No room at street level without buying out the local businesses 2) 4th and 9th- two sets of right angle side platforms with specific stairs to/from each platform. TO transfer from Coney Island F to 95th Street R there is a bend in the stairway and rooms at the bend of the stairway-again four elevators with two being three stops (Both F platforms , F crossunder, street level. 3) Metropolitan on the G /Lorimer on the L. One from street to G mezzanine, one to each G platform, Canarise L to crossunder to Manhattan L, Manhattan L to crossunder--5 elevators . 4) Broadway Junction . You'd need one to each A/C platform, 1 to the upper mezzanine (J mezzanine) , one to each J platform, one from each L platform to the crossover --7 elevators 5) I am sure there are other "problem" stations but those are the ones I can think of at this time. Yes- 149/Concourse 2/3/4/5 will get full ADA and elevators Now to do that you'd need machine rooms and upgraded power. to do Flushing on the J/M they had to cantilever both platforms outward. Ditto for the 7 at 74th Street . What many riders do not recognize is many transfers were cobbled together from the time they were three separate systems not allowing transfers to a competitor. As far as Union Square 4/5/6, MTA was granted an exemption due to a need to open the street and widen the subway tunnels to realign the platforms to allow elevators. MTA would like to extend both 4/5/6 platforms to the north which would allow closing of the curved sections. (SOURCE: Joe Cunningham on an official NYTM trip.) This was done at Brooklyn Bridge(4/5/6) and at DeKalb (Brighton) and is planned for the Shuttle to Grand Central. Yes- many stations could easily have elevators added . The big problem is how to pay for the elevators and the structural and mechanical needs for elevators. You can only stretch money so far . What do you fix first-- tracks, signals, bridges, tunnels, cars, power, lighting, switches . |
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Posted by BusRider on Thu Mar 15 11:12:33 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:58:38 2018. Thank you for your list. I read somewhere, Eastern Parkway/Brooklyn Museum might be upgrading to elevators? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 12:41:00 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by BusRider on Thu Mar 15 11:12:33 2018. Thank you for your list. I read somewhere, Eastern Parkway/Brooklyn Museum might be upgrading to elevators?Braking news: Eastern Parkway 3 will get elevators. Check out mta.info. Click Transparency, click resources, click eye on the future.Click brief description of projects . There are more stations on that page that will get elevators for NYCT plus LIRR and MNR. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Mar 15 12:41:42 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:58:38 2018. The money excuse would be more real if the bloated costs of things like the SAS stub were less outrageous. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Mar 15 12:45:04 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 09:03:12 2018. when you or a close friend/relative is no longer able to use stairs, maybe your consciousness will expand. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 15 12:59:57 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 19:50:15 2018. And those with heavy shopping carts.The benefits go far beyond those who actually need it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 15:18:34 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 15 01:37:03 2018. Right, thanks. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 15:19:21 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 19:50:15 2018. Uh, so do many NYC transit stations. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 15:39:58 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 12:41:00 2018. Actually, you need to click Transparency ,then Capital Program Info, then Resources, etc.BTW, I saw this on that page: A36034 ADA: CHAMBERS STREET / NASSAU LOOP** $10M - $50M This project will provide full ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) accessibility at the Chambers Street Station on the BMT Nassau Loop in the Borough of Manhattan. Work will include: Modify existing ramps and stairs. Install three elevators. Construct new ramp. Build walkways and ramps from elevators. Provision of ADA boarding areas at platforms, platform edge warning strips and rubbing boards. Install new stairs from the south mezzanine to the elevated walkway. Duration of Contract 24 Months Why install elevators but not fix the decrepitude? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 15:56:09 2018, in response to Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by heypaul on Tue Mar 13 21:26:59 2018. That's because disabled people don't use the train in great numbers, so there's nothing to block. The disabled I know all have cars, with modifications funded by government to boot, and I know quite a few of them.This is the federal government taking powers it was never meant to have, and turning into a dictator. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Mar 15 19:29:04 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 15 12:59:57 2018. agreed. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Mar 15 22:08:30 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 14 19:50:15 2018. But there are no real mezzanine es at those stations. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Mar 15 22:09:16 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 15:19:21 2018. Exactly. The ones over Fulton Street on the J don't have real mezzanines. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Mar 16 00:19:41 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Mar 15 22:08:30 2018. So some sort of mezzanine will need to be invented. Let me be clear here. Someone I have been involved with since she was a toddler became a quadraplegic courtesy of an incident w/ a deer on CA Highway 1 in 1988. So, my concern is personal as well as general. When she lived in NY for a decade, she mostly used buses although that did not always work out well either. Bottom line, I am adamant about full ADA accessibility. No, I am not saying every NY subway station this year, but the BS of doing overpartof a station but not putting in the elevators is unacceptable. In a public radio talkshow, someone suggested increasing handicap van cverage, to which I replied, NO, separate but equal doesn't cut it.Many on this board are much younger than I (73+), but assuming decent health you will all arrive at a point where stairs become onerous at best or simply impossible. Enough rant. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 16 01:03:27 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Obey Orders w.r.t. Middletown Road Station elevator, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 15 15:56:09 2018. That's because disabled people don't use the train in great numbers, so there's nothing to block.The trains are inaccessible. Therefore, disabled people can't use them. Therefore, there's no need to make them accessible because disabled people don't use them. Much logic. Very wow. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Mar 16 09:44:40 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:58:38 2018. So many people think installing elevators and escalators are so simple. To those politicians, just go to Marcy Ave. J/Z/M station. Check out all the new steel work required. And for those of us who remember, part of that structure was needed to enlarge the fare control area.If you look at Rockaway Blvd. on the A you would need similar structure work, if there is even a spot. The mezzanine would have to be enlarged significanytly. You would need 3 elevators. One from the street and 2 to each platform. Many Astoria line stations have similar small mezzanines. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Fri Mar 16 09:51:20 2018, in response to Re: Feds Sue MTA Over Failure to Install Elevator at Middletown Road Station (6), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Mar 16 09:44:40 2018. I don't think many people say it is simple, but it is the law.Grandfathering in existing stations make sense, and is supported by the law. Doing "gut" level renovations and not including accessibility is one of the exact types of activity that ADA was put in effect to prevent. |
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