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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 13 09:19:10 2018 Tuscarora Almanac – March 13, 1918 – The Book of First Runs Brooklyn, New York Brooklyn Rapid Transit Company 67 Foot Standard Steel subway cars are assigned to the No. 10 Myrtle Avenue-Chambers Street Line. The No. 10 had been using wooden Gate Cars since it began operating in 1914. Source: New York Division Bulletin /February 1997, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac – March 13, 1968 – The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York New York City Transit Authority – IRT Division 148th Street-Lenox Terminal opens for service. It is located in the Lenox Avenue Yard with an entrance at West 149th Street and Seventh Avenue. It will be served by No. 3 trains at all times. Source: New York Division Bulletin /June 1968 Tuscarora Almanac - March 13, 1998 - The Book of Last Runs Long Island, New York Long Island Railroad The Long Island Railroad closes seven stations today. Five are on the Montauk Branch in Queens; Penny Bridge, Haberman, Fresh Pond, Glendale and Richmond Hill. Also closed are Mill Neck on the Oyster Bay Branch and Holtsville on the Mainline. Source: New York Division Bulletin /April 1998, article "Long Island Railroad Closes Ten Stations" by Mr. Larry Kiss Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Bzuck on Tue Mar 13 10:02:22 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 13 09:19:10 2018. If the entrance is at 149th street why did they name the station 148th street? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 10:47:42 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by Bzuck on Tue Mar 13 10:02:22 2018. This has been gone over before. It's to avoid confusion with the other 149th St. station on the IRT. |
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Posted by andy on Tue Mar 13 12:17:20 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 13 09:19:10 2018. The LIRR Stations closed had little or no patronage at the end. The closings were done to eliminate the need to build high level platforms for the new C3 diesel car fleet that was being placed into service in 1998. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 13 12:34:57 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by andy on Tue Mar 13 12:17:20 2018. Andy: I rode the lower Montauk Line once. One of the stations was just a street intersection. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 13 12:38:17 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by Bzuck on Tue Mar 13 10:02:22 2018. If the entrance is at 149th street why did they name the station 148th street? Barry: I think that it was just a New York thing. Why was "Downstairs Records" actually upstairs? Why does the Broadway subway run on 7 Avenue while the 7 Avenue subway run on Broadway? Just kidding. Hope to see you on member's day. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by northshore on Tue Mar 13 12:47:03 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 13 12:34:57 2018. All the "stations" on the lower Montauk Line were gravel extending out from the ROW. Fresh Pond did have a concrete stairway (if you could find it behind the Used Car Lot) down to the tracks. Richmond Hill was the only "elaborate " station. Mill Neck Station had been converted to a town hall/police station back in the '50's, with only an asphalt pavement platform. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Mar 13 13:17:46 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 13 12:34:57 2018. Haberman in West Maspeth. |
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Posted by Bzuck on Tue Mar 13 14:26:23 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 13 12:38:17 2018. Will miss members day this year. Hope to catch you another time. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Mar 13 15:27:45 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 13 09:19:10 2018. Never knew Harlem 148th street was so young, opened in the late 60s, wow. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 15:44:47 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Mar 13 15:27:45 2018. It was an attempt to ameliorate the fact that the previous terminal, 145th, was totally inadequate, as it could not be expanded to full-length platforms. A successful, clever use of yard space to create a new station cheaply. There are some other places this could be done. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 13 21:17:11 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 15:44:47 2018. Like where? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 13 21:33:41 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 13 21:17:11 2018. Years ago it was proposed to build a station in the Livonia Avenue Yard. It would have been called "Flatlands Avenue". Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 00:58:01 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 13 21:33:41 2018. There was also a rush hour only “Park and Ride” platform built in Westchester Yd but it didn’t last very long. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 14 07:53:02 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 13 15:44:47 2018. The Pitkin Yard would be a perfect candidate. There's a lot of housing going up in the adjacent area. |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Mar 14 09:01:58 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 14 07:53:02 2018. Isn't Pitkin Yard where the 76 Station was built? |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 14 09:07:44 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by northshore on Wed Mar 14 09:01:58 2018. You'll have to excuse me, but I never understood this 76th Street station, but I will take an educated guess that the answer is no. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Mar 14 12:01:53 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 14 09:07:44 2018. but I never understood this 76th Street station, but I will take an educated guess that the answer is no. No would be the correct answer. Only Tunnelrat knows the correct location. Apparently all records of its construction have been lost to history. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Mar 14 12:44:37 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by northshore on Wed Mar 14 09:01:58 2018. no,76st-n- Pitkin ave. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 14 13:01:53 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Mar 14 12:01:53 2018. Thank you. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 15:40:54 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Mar 13 21:17:11 2018. Livonia Yard, as was mentioned. This could also feed into a short extension to Starrett City and the nearby mall.Also, a station could be built in the 6 train yard near the medical center and Hutchinson Center. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 15:42:57 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 14 07:53:02 2018. The problem with locations like Pitkin Yd and even the one in Westchester Yd is that those locations are basically branches off the mainline that would require some sort of an extra service to operate during off hours. 148 St on the other hand was merely an extension of the existing mainline past the terminal station as would be the case if the Livonia Av Line were extended through the yard. |
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Posted by Bzuck on Wed Mar 14 16:10:36 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 15:42:57 2018. Pitkin yard is easy. A one stop extension of the C. Overnight make it a shuttle to Euclid. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 16:11:47 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 15:42:57 2018. Livonia is the best case. An extension to Gateway Mall and Starrett City would be very useful. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 14 16:18:12 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by northshore on Wed Mar 14 09:01:58 2018. The two stubs, which would have connected the Pitkin Yard to the never-built Pitkin Ave extension to 75th St (or 76th) station and beyond, were removed from service. They had been called A-7 and A-8 and are shown in Peter Dougherty's book, "TRACKS of the New York City SUBWAY". I have the Third Edition and the Pitkin Yard, Euclid Ave, and Grant Ave stations are shown, along with the tracks, on page 66 of that edition. I'm sure RandyO or someone else here can tell you when those track stubs were removed. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 17:40:26 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 15:40:54 2018. There was a Park and Ride station in Westchester Yd for a while, but the problem with that is that unlike the situations with Lenox and Livonia, the yard station would be in effect a branch off the mainline and require a dedicated service in order to provide full time service or else it would be a part time service and possibly negating the purpose of the station anyhow. The only lines that have the mainline going directly into the yard thus not requiring an additional service are Lenox and Livonia. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 17:42:04 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by Bzuck on Wed Mar 14 16:10:36 2018. That is just the point I was trying to make. Such a station would require an entirely new service in the form of the midnight shuttle to Euclid which would probably not make it worth the expense. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 17:51:10 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 14 16:18:12 2018. I can’t say for sure when they were actually removed, but when I went there with George Abere in 1962, the tracks, signals and stop arms were still there although the switches had been removed. The tunnels also ended in mounds of earth floor to ceiling. When we returned after we were both trainmasters in 1983, the tracks had been removed and the cinder block walls often referred to, and erroneously mentioned as being under Pitkin Ave, had been put in place. Oddly, the signals were still in place although the lenses were either missing or broken. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 14 19:26:14 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 13 12:38:17 2018. It's like going Up the Down Staircase.:) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Mar 15 10:40:30 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 13 21:33:41 2018. Flatlands Av? The yard ends at Stanley Av, several blocks north of Flatlands. A more logical name would have been Linden Blvd. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Mar 15 10:45:31 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 16:11:47 2018. I'm sure that some have you have noticed that where the Livonia Av line tracks curve from Livonia to head to the yard (around Cleveland or Elton Sts), there is evidence of a provision to run the tracks down Newlots Av. I wonder where that would have ended up if built. It isn't that far to Fountain Av, where Newlots ends at a housing project (which of course was not there in the 1920s when the Livonia line was built). Wonder if it was going to head off to Queens via Linden Blvd. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Mar 15 10:54:49 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Mar 15 10:45:31 2018. This was a provision for a route to run from New Lots Avenue to Jamaica Bay via Linwood and then east to the city line. It was proposed in the 1920's but had a low construction priority. Source: New York Division Bulletin /April 1964, article by Mr. David Rogoff Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 15:21:46 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 14 17:40:26 2018. Well, the dedicated service into Westchester Yard could be an extension of the 6s that now terminate at 177th during rush, with a shuttle to/from 177th at other times. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 15 16:31:13 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 15:21:46 2018. However the off hour shuttle to 177 St still constitutes an extras service that would be needed and consequently an additional expense that probably wouldn’t be justified by the small amount of ridership that it would generate. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat Mar 17 02:03:34 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 13, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Mar 15 10:40:30 2018. Linden Blvd for sure. However, it looks like Linwood St on the eastern side of the yard is primarily industrial buildings, perhaps there wouldn't be significant NIMBY opposition to building an el to extend to Flatlands... |
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