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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 8 14:07:03 2018 i'm sure this has been discussed here but still...damn bold proposal.cross-town elevated line   and yeah, i'm hip to lindenthal. he'd a dug this.  |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 8 14:58:28 2018, in response to mein gott!!! me want this., posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 8 14:07:03 2018. Joke, right?Poor Lindenthal's 59th Street cross-Hudson rail bridge went nowhere thanks to no support from NYC plus the Coast Guard's 200-foot high-water-mark clearance requirement. The Poughkeepsie bridge, once the main artery for trains between Washington DC and Boston, is now the "Walkway over the Hudson". Really twisted. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 8 17:32:35 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 8 14:58:28 2018. The Poughkeepsie bridge, once the main artery for trains between Washington DC and BostonExcept for troop trains during WWII, I think passenger service ended in 1916 or 1917, after the Hell Gate Bridge was completed. |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Thu Mar 8 18:14:54 2018, in response to mein gott!!! me want this., posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 8 14:07:03 2018. Yabbut, how are we going to get SNCF to Queens? Oh, wait, see Harry Harrison’s /A Transatlantic Tunnel! Hurrah!/. Though on a great circle route, I’d expect it to come in more from the northeast, perhaps hooking up to the Second Avenue Subway in the Bronx. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Mar 8 18:24:35 2018, in response to mein gott!!! me want this., posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 8 14:07:03 2018. It's a bold proposal, but the height, plus the fact there is only 2 tracks each way at the station, make me believe it will not come close to servicing the needs of Amtrak riders, let alone NJT. I'm not even considering whether midtown neighborhoods will allow 2 big bridges to cut through them, as well as the loss of property to accommodate them. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Thu Mar 8 19:42:09 2018, in response to mein gott!!! me want this., posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 8 14:07:03 2018. They left out the bubble pod PRT vehicles that some architects keep trying to push. Note that they also think pedestrians and the bicycles/electric bicycles are going to play well together when there's a bazillion of them. Let's also add Tube Transport System like in Futurama. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Mar 9 05:24:55 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by 3-9 on Thu Mar 8 18:24:35 2018. Supposedly, it would be completely over 38th and 39th Streets. So the only building that now stands in the way would be the Javits Center. Or maybe the thing is supposed to pass above the Javits? And trains would stop only to drop off and pick up passengers, then proceed to Queens or New Jersey, so there would not be a need for many tracks. How the tracks would connect on either end isn't clear, the map shows only the road connections to the LIE and NJ 495, but the Queens end is right by the LIRR/NEC. It is still an absolutely absurd fantasy, but the need to take property is not one of its problems. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 9 07:26:21 2018, in response to mein gott!!! me want this., posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 8 14:07:03 2018. As a practical matter, where would the anchorages be located? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 9 07:47:41 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Dave on Thu Mar 8 17:32:35 2018. That quickly cut off the ABE area from direct access to Washington and Boston. Also downgraded the importance of the L&HR. Not to mention, Boston North Station got fewer destinations. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 9 09:04:35 2018, in response to mein gott!!! me want this., posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 8 14:07:03 2018. Nice!!Ain't gonna happen. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Mar 9 20:21:42 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Mar 9 05:24:55 2018. I don't recall exactly how wide 38th and 39th Sts are, but I think a big bridge for holding 2 railroad tracks and 2 other levels of traffic would barely fit. Once you then try to squeeze in a sizeable station, then you get the property acquisition. Even if it's a pass-through station you still need to handle the people and luggage involved, which could mean something like Newark Penn, at least. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Mar 9 22:12:20 2018, in response to mein gott!!! me want this., posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 8 14:07:03 2018. As long as we're aiming for the sky, we might as well throw in another two levels to complete the expressway connection between what are now NY 495 and NJ 495 (originally I-495 on both ends) that Robert Moses wanted to build many moons ago.I think we'd have a better shot at a massive deep-bore tunnel. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 9 23:25:36 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Mar 9 22:12:20 2018. There is no NY495. The NY portion is I-495. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Mar 10 11:30:55 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 9 23:25:36 2018. The portion of what is signed as I-495 between the Midtown Tunnel and the BQE is no longer an interstate highway despite being signed I-495.See https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-495_nj.html https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-495_ny.html |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 10 12:12:25 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Mar 10 11:30:55 2018. It never was part of I-495... The sign is pointing the way to I=495ROARING |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 10 12:57:16 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Mar 10 11:30:55 2018. It would have had the chance to be if the Mid-Manhattan Expressway were built. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 10 18:25:49 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 10 12:12:25 2018. No. If so, the sign would have the word "TO" above it. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 11 08:57:06 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Alan Follett on Thu Mar 8 18:14:54 2018. prob first harry harrison reference ever posted here :) |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 11 08:58:59 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 9 07:26:21 2018. don't know but surely not an unsolvable problem. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 11 09:00:47 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Mar 9 22:12:20 2018. ...as long as it comes in from brooklyn, i.e., atlantic avenue/(brooklyn) south ferry, i'm with it. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 11 09:02:07 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 10 12:57:16 2018. that also should have been built. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 11 09:06:49 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 10 12:57:16 2018. that also should have been built. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Mar 11 09:25:27 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 11 08:58:59 2018. The anchorages hold the cables. The two anchorages support the the bridge live and dead load at only 2 locations.They are massive structures that occupy a lot of real estate. So much for the idea that these bridges would not require vast amounts of expensive Manhattan real estate. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 11 09:56:43 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Mar 9 07:26:21 2018. They are shown in the diagram in the original post. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 11 15:08:08 2018, in response to Re: mein gott!!! me want this., posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Mar 11 09:25:27 2018. Who needs a suspension bridge? Use a cable-stayed bridge. The anchorages can be offshore. |
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