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[PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018

R-44 (A) approaching the North Channel bridge. (August 1978)
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R-44 (D) approaching Newkirk Ave.(now Newkirk Plaza) station. R-42 (M) heading to Cortelyou Rd station.
From Brighton to West End, now 6th Ave. Always on the move !(January 1979)
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(D) Brighton Express south of Ave H station. (Jaunary 1979)
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Having left the former LIRR Rockaway Division via Liberty Jct. approaching Rockway Blvd. (June 1979)

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It's December 1980 and there are R-44's on the (F). Could be the Rockwell truck fiasco ?
At that time, former LIRR Bay Ridge division on lower left. South motor is #190.

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Flashback to October 30, 1972. R-44's (F) on the "el" and R-44's on the LIRR Bay Ridge division for high speed testing on the LIRR.
Cars shown #263, #262, R-1 #501M (ex-397). Parkville Jct (lower right) was the connection to the LIRR from SBK. (October 30, 1972 Douglas Grotjahn


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Photographed from the roof IIRC was the Avenue I Flea Market.
#182, the south motor (December 1980)


R-46's that debuted and ran on the JFK Express were now replaced by R-44's. Red R-30's are on the (C). Howard Beach station. (April 12, 1990)
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JFK Express passes a (C) train at Liberty Jct tower. April 12,
1990


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Gone, but not foprgotten. (April 12, 1990)
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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Mar 8 12:17:59 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018.

Great photos Bill.

I like the original end signs with the circle around the letter for some reason.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 15:14:08 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Mar 8 12:17:59 2018.

Thank you Bill. I liked the signs with the white circles too.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Mar 8 15:16:41 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018.

nice photos

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Snarf368 on Thu Mar 8 15:20:47 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018.

Gorgeous! Thanks for sharing

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 8 15:30:23 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018.

Great shots, Bill. Thanks for posting!

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 16:02:16 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Mar 8 15:16:41 2018.

Thank you !

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 16:03:04 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Snarf368 on Thu Mar 8 15:20:47 2018.

You're welcome !

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 16:03:31 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Dave on Thu Mar 8 15:30:23 2018.

Thank you Dave.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Mar 8 16:35:31 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018.

Very nice pictures. My favorite is the last pic with the World Trade Center in the backround. Gone but not forgotten indeed.
Thanks for sharing!

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Mar 8 18:40:31 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018.

Great photos, especially the last one! Thanks for sharing them!

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 19:38:57 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Mar 8 16:35:31 2018.

Thank you Jim.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 19:42:15 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by 3-9 on Thu Mar 8 18:40:31 2018.

Thanks 3-9.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Mar 8 20:38:27 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018.

very nice pix

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 8 21:01:22 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018.

thanks for posting these.

Love the R-42 M at Newkirk. Must have been just a handful on the M back then.

There appears to be a kid on the roadbed on the LIRR Bay Ridge.

R=44 will not be missed in my opinion.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by PegLegGuy on Thu Mar 8 21:16:47 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 8 21:01:22 2018.

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The guy down on the ROW.

Does he have a tripod set up?

Great pictures!


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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by PegLegGuy on Thu Mar 8 21:23:59 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by PegLegGuy on Thu Mar 8 21:16:47 2018.

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Walkin stick.


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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 8 21:27:30 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by PegLegGuy on Thu Mar 8 21:23:59 2018.

yeah. Looks like a stick.

I wonder if he went for a hike?

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Mar 8 22:49:00 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018.

Awesome photos, really like the last two pics.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Mar 8 23:29:50 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018.

Extremely nice.
Really really something else.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Mar 8 23:33:12 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 8 21:01:22 2018.

I can imagine not many will miss them but I do. They were my A trains and took me many places in the 90's. They had smell that wasn't bad after they were cleaned up at the B. 116th Street Yard.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 05:27:11 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Mar 8 23:29:50 2018.

Thanks Catfish.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 05:27:45 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Mar 8 22:49:00 2018.

Thank you r/33.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 05:29:07 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Mar 8 20:38:27 2018.

Thanks Jackson Park.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 05:33:17 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 8 21:01:22 2018.

Thanks s LuchAAA.

Since you like R-27's, would the red R-30's would be included ?

I know the R-44's weren't everyone's favorite car, but there are some here who would disagree. It's just like the last photo, something that was part of the everyday fabric of NYC is now gone. Except for the R-44 in the museum.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 05:34:24 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by PegLegGuy on Thu Mar 8 21:23:59 2018.

Walkin stick.

Probably needed to negotiate the trash on the tracks.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 9 06:16:51 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 05:33:17 2018.

Since you like R-27's, would the red R-30's would be included ?

I know the R-44's weren't everyone's favorite car, but there are some here who would disagree. It's just like the last photo, something that was part of the everyday fabric of NYC is now gone. Except for the R-44 in the museum.


Yes, the R-27's get no love. Red R-30's even less. People today equate red cars with garbage trains.




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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 9 07:11:06 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018.

Wonderful- thank you!!

I guess 4-12-90 was the last day of the JFK Express?

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Q4 on Fri Mar 9 08:46:24 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Mar 8 16:35:31 2018.

Gone but definitely not forgotten.

Thanks for sharing Bill.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 9 15:26:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 8 21:01:22 2018.

My only complaints about the R44 were the doors seemed slow, and the replacement light shields on the ends of the car were fugly.

I like/liked them a lot better than the R68s, at an rate.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 16:15:13 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 9 07:11:06 2018.

Wonderful- thank you!!

I guess 4-12-90 was the last day of the JFK Express?


Last day was April 15, 1990.

First day was September 23,1978.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 16:15:45 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Q4 on Fri Mar 9 08:46:24 2018.

Thank you Q4

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 16:26:11 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Mar 9 06:16:51 2018.

Yes, the R-27's get no love. Red R-30's even less.

Shouldn't that be reversed ? Graffiti free red R-30's looked much better than graffitied R-27's.

Do you know there were Red R-27's that weren't overhauled ?

Bill Newkirk



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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Fri Mar 9 17:10:34 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 16:15:13 2018.

Thanks for the info. I use to operate the JFK on the extra list.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 9 20:17:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Fri Mar 9 17:10:34 2018.

I wrote the first timetable for the JFK Exp and I advised the Chief Schedule Maker that we needed to check the run times of the rush hour A which ran exp in Bkln only during the rush hour at the time and he told me to make it up with just one run time over the 24 hours. When we examined the finished product it turned out that we had scheduled a JFK to pass an A on A3 tk somewhere between Nostrand and Utica Aves. As a result, a special train of R-46s was sent out during the rush hour with 2 schedule makers myself included and a trainmaster and that was how we came up with a proper running time for the JFK.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 9 20:21:08 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 16:26:11 2018.

During the period from 1968 to early 1970, the TA painted some R-27s and 30s along with some R-16s a tartar red like the IRTís R-29s and 33s as a temporary paint scheme while the MTA came up with something new. The agency finally decided on the Ronan silver and blue which was applied to the cars but unfortunately soon covered in graffiti.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 20:47:36 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Fri Mar 9 17:10:34 2018.

I use to operate the JFK on the extra list.

R-46 or R-44 ?

I heard that R-38's or some other equipment other than R-44/46's were once assigned on that run. True or false ?

Bill Newkirk


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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Mar 9 20:48:30 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 8 12:04:49 2018.

Love that last photo. Beautiful

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 20:50:44 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 9 20:21:08 2018.

Thanks randyo, but the R-27's I were referred to was painted in the Redbird scheme. This was during the graffiti free days when the TA was shooting for an all graffiti free fleet. Some R-27's were painted Redbird of which I should have photos of.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by CJ on Fri Mar 9 21:44:42 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 20:50:44 2018.

Would be cool to see those Redbird R27s. Thanks for posting the pictures of the R44s. I only rode them once and it was a quick ride to Manhattan from Brooklyn back in 2000.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Mar 9 21:56:29 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 20:47:36 2018.

When necessary. The rule was no JFK ABD's (interval not run), so if it was necessary to "steal" a "B" train, it was done. Therefore the B line had the cancelled interval.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 05:28:32 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Mar 9 20:48:30 2018.

Thank you sir !

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 05:32:22 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Mar 9 21:56:29 2018.

When necessary. The rule was no JFK ABD's (interval not run), so if it was necessary to "steal" a "B" train, it was done. Therefore the B line had the cancelled interval.

Agreed, I heard from the railfan grapevine about a graffiti train being used on the JFK Express. Kinda funny since the passengers were paying a premium fare. Could have been the R-38's, which were running at that time on the (B).

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA)

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 06:04:10 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by CJ on Fri Mar 9 21:44:42 2018.

Would be cool to see those Redbird R27s.
Going out to scrap at 2nd Ave and 39th St yard. R-27 #8241 is proof.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Sat Mar 10 06:15:38 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 9 20:47:36 2018.

As far as I know only 1200 series R46 cars were used.
Bob

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA)

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 10 06:51:21 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 06:04:10 2018.

Awesome.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA)

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Mar 10 07:12:30 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 06:04:10 2018.

That's a shame. They look like they just rolled out of the paint booth.

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA)

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 07:16:44 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Mar 10 07:12:30 2018.

That's a shame. They look like they just rolled out of the paint booth.

They probably did. There was't a speck of steel dust on them. I could smell then polyurethane paint, though the paint wasn't wet.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 07:36:12 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Sat Mar 10 06:15:38 2018.

As far as I know only 1200 series R46 cars were used.
Bob


Weren't other R-46's other than #12XX series used ?
#12XX series below on September 1978


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Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA)

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 10 07:37:31 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The R-44 (Redbird R-27's For LuchAAA), posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 10 06:51:21 2018.

Awesome.

Thanks, were you aware of Redbird R-27's before you saw this photo ?

Bill Newkirk

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