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Pinstripe overalls. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 22:25:20 2018 When I first became a M/M with the TA, most, if not all work clothes manufactures made RR overalls in 2 types. One was the hickory stripe which is still made and readily available. The other was a pinstripe which was similar but with much narrower stripes and I was told it was called “indigo pinstripe.” The pinstripe style was the preferred uniform overall although hickory stripe was allowed. It seemed that IRT M/M preferred the hickory stripe while BMT and IND M/M preferred the pinstripe. Any time I Google “pinstripe overalls” the only thing that seems to show up is the hickory stripe. Does anyone out there who like me might have been a TA M/M or even anyone who wasn’t, know if any work clothes manufacturer still makes the pinstripe overalls or when and why they stopped making them if they are no longer made? |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Sun Mar 4 23:31:15 2018, in response to Pinstripe overalls., posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 22:25:20 2018. Some pinstriped overalls are still made but more or less for women’s fashion. The hickory striped overalls are still about. You can check out Dickies, Osh Kosh B’gosh to name a few.Vader |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 01:12:43 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by Lord Vader on Sun Mar 4 23:31:15 2018. I know about the hickory striped because I have a pair for use at costume parties. I haven’t even seen any pinstripes fro women. What I am wondering about is why the production of the pinstripes was stopped. |
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Posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 5 01:24:34 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 01:12:43 2018. How about this? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Mar 5 10:45:55 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 5 01:24:34 2018. That's what I used to wear. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Mar 5 10:46:49 2018, in response to Pinstripe overalls., posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 22:25:20 2018. I never that New York subway motormen wore stripes. When was stopped? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 5 12:18:03 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Mar 5 10:45:55 2018. Loved those.As a kid when I went to work with my father..I wore my pinstripes MM suit like his. Wanted to "drive the train" like him.. I really believed he got a real kick outta that...as I never had a problem with him taking me along with him during the summer,or weekends. To this day, I often wonder why I chose buses over being a motorman.. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Mar 5 12:22:27 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 5 12:18:03 2018. When I got hired in 1986, I was told that rail was not available, but the buses were. I was told there would be a 6 month wait for rail. I chose to wait, since I already had a job. They called me and hired me 3 months later for rail. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 14:04:35 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Mar 5 10:45:55 2018. Many of the M/M on CTA wear those (at least they did the last time I was there) but those are the hickory stripe which are readily available. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 14:05:23 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 5 01:24:34 2018. Those are hicokry stripe and are still readily available. The pinstripes like I wore are a much finer stripe. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 15:26:40 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Mar 5 10:46:49 2018. I’m not sure of the exact year, so I’ll have to ask one of my more knowledgeable TA friends. Prior to the 1966 strike, all NYCTA employees had to buy their own uniforms which for bus operators was actually a sort of army olive drab and khaki shirt and OD tie. C/R uniforms were pretty much the same as they are now with navy blue trousers, and either a uniform style dress jacket or an Eisenhower jacket. The caps were the 8 pointed style with the appropriate color for the bus operators and C/Rs respectively. B/Os’ badges were relatively substantial but C/R and M/M badges were basically 1” by 6” pieces if tin with the title and badge number punched out. M/M were required to wear pinstripe or hickory stripe overalls with matching jumpers ( These days referred to as “chore coats”). The pinstripe was similar to what you in CTA wear assuming they still wear them there but was a finer stripe than the hickory stripe once worn by locomotive engineers. In NY,the pinstripe was preferred but hickory stripe was acceptable and it seems that IRT M/M went more for the hickory stripe while BMT and IND M/M opted for the finer pinstripe. Both M/M and C/Rs were required to wear light blue shirts with a dark blue tie. M/M had 2 options for their caps. There was of course the matching striped RR style cap but there was also a black silk cap reminiscent of something worn by a fisherman. Caps for all titles were supposed to have the badge attached although for some reason BMT M/M for the most part never wore the badge. When the TWU contract provided for uniform supplied by the TA, B/Os uniforms changed to blue almost the same as the C/Rs but with a smooth sided cap instead of the 8 points. C/R caps were changed to a cylindrical style pretty much like mainline RR C/Rs. B/Os received Eisenhower jackets and C/Rs received more of a suit jacket. The shirts for both B/Os and C/Rs had loops on the right shoulder to hang the badge during summer months when caps did not need to be worn. I don’t know what precipitated it, but for some reason M/M were not given any sort of uniform and per contract did not have to wear them although it was recommended that we wear the appropriate overalls to look more professional. Some time in the mid 1980s, the TA started issuing M/M uniforms which were the stripped overalls. A few years later, probably around the time the M/M title was changed to “Train Operator” (T/O) the uniforms were changed to the same dark blue trousers but with white shirt with thin black pinstripes. Dating back to when the traditional style C/R caps were introduced, C/Rs in train service were not required to wear their caps since being bulkier that the older style, they were prone to being knocked off when the C/Rs stuck their heads out the cab windows to operate the doors. It’s been years since I’ve seen either a C/R or T/O wearing any sort of cap and I’ve been told there is no longer an official uniform cap although many employees do wear baseball caps with either the MTA logo or in some cases the bullet of the line they work. AFAIK, there are no longer any badges issued for T/O but since the B/Os’ badges merely read “Operator” should the MTA choose to, the same badges could be used for both titles. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Wed Mar 7 11:30:24 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 15:26:40 2018. Last time I saw a M/M T/O wear those hickory overalls was in 1997 on the refuse train at Main St. Since then, I’ve only seen the current uniform. I do remember during the early 80s when a uniform wasn’t worn, then from late 80s to early 90s the M/M wore the same uniform colors as the conductors as well as dark blue work shirts until the pinstriped shirt came out.Vader |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Mar 7 11:58:59 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by Lord Vader on Wed Mar 7 11:30:24 2018. as a m/m why the hell do you have to wear a uniform with a tie and vest? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 13:48:40 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 14:04:35 2018.  Was it this guy?
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 15:56:58 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by tunnelrat on Wed Mar 7 11:58:59 2018. Except for a brief period after 1966, M/M were always required to wear a uniform of one kind or another. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 15:58:06 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by Lord Vader on Wed Mar 7 11:30:24 2018. Unless the T/O bought his own, those were probably not hickory stripe but the finer pinstripe I’ve benn talking about. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 16:03:51 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 13:48:40 2018. Those are the hickory stripe which are still readily available. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 16:38:26 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 16:03:51 2018. Which I wore with pride. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Mar 7 17:07:25 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 14:05:23 2018. some years back a god daughter who had had Oshkosh bibs as a toddler discovered they then "hip" again, and so was given both bibs and the matching jacket and cap. Stylish HS girl! (Berkeley CA in the 80s) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 17:12:11 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 16:38:26 2018. Was that the type of stripe worn by all or most of the CTA M/M? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 17:13:11 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 13:48:40 2018. I thought you looked familiar! |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 17:43:08 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 17:12:11 2018. No. That's mostly because although we were allowed to wear it, we could not use our uniform voucher to purchase them. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 17:43:37 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 17:13:11 2018. Lol. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 20:14:40 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 17:43:08 2018. I’m only talking about those of you who chose to wear overalls. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Mar 7 20:39:18 2018, in response to Re: Pinstripe overalls., posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 20:14:40 2018. That's why very few choose to wear them. |
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