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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 6 10:51:55 2018 Tuscarora Almanac – March 6, 1913 – The Book of First Runs Harrison, New Jersey Hudson & Manhattan Railroad Harrison station on the Park Place Line opens. (This station was located on Railroad Avenue a short distance north of the current Harrison station). Source: ERA Bulletin /July 2015, article by Mr. George Chiasson Electric Railroads Magazine, Number 27, August 1959 Tuscarora Almanac – March 6, 1936 – The Book of First and Last Runs Manhattan, New York New York Railways Corporation New York Omnibus Corporation The 8th Street Crosstown Line is converted from streetcar to bus operation. The new bus route will be known as Route 13. The 7th Avenue Streetcar of New York Railways is converted to bus operation. The new bus service will be known as Route 8. Route 9 7th Avenue & 8th Street bus line begins at the same time but is discontinued on March 1, 1943. Streetcar service had been run by the New York Railways Corporation. Buses will be operated by the New York Omnibus Corporation Source: New York Division Bulletins /1988, articles by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac - March 6, 1969 - The Book of First Runs New York City Transit Authority – IND Division The first train of 100 R-40's with the straight or modified ends began service today on the "F" Queens - 6th Avenue - Culver Express. They will become known as R-40 M's. Their original numbers were 4250 - 4349. They were renumbered in 1971 to 4450 - 4549. Source: NYD Bulletin April, 1969. Tuscarora Almanac – March 6, 1971 – The Book of Strange and Unusual Occurrences The Bronx, New York New York City Transit Authority - IRT and IND Divisions R-10 3226 led a shop move of IRT cars from the IND Concourse Yard to the IRT Jerome Avenue Yard via the Jerome Avenue elevated line. The R-10 remained in the IRT Yard for several hours before it was wrong railed back to the Concourse Yard. Source: New York Division Bulletin /April 1971 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 6 11:19:04 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 6 10:51:55 2018. Was that R-10 shop move also the trip that ended up with platform damage to several Jerome Avenue stations? |
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Posted by northshore on Tue Mar 6 11:59:43 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 6 10:51:55 2018. NYC Omnibus Rt 9 ran from Central Park South (59 St) to Wanamaker Terminal (8 St & 4 Av) |
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Posted by northshore on Tue Mar 6 12:01:54 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by northshore on Tue Mar 6 11:59:43 2018. Fifth Avenue Coach Company ran Rt 11 from Penn Station to Wanamaker Terminal, which was discontinued years earlier |
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Posted by northshore on Tue Mar 6 12:01:54 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by northshore on Tue Mar 6 11:59:43 2018. Fifth Avenue Coach Company ran Rt 11 from Penn Station to Wanamaker Terminal, which was discontinued years earlier |
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Posted by northshore on Tue Mar 6 12:01:54 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by northshore on Tue Mar 6 11:59:43 2018. Fifth Avenue Coach Company ran Rt 11 from Penn Station to Wanamaker Terminal, which was discontinued years earlier |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 6 12:46:47 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 6 11:19:04 2018. I believe that it did cause some damage to the platform edgings. I would have liked to have been on the platform when that moved occurred. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 6 12:51:14 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by northshore on Tue Mar 6 11:59:43 2018. So 8th Street and 4th Avenue was known as the "Wanamaker Terminal". I remember the big fire back in 1956. Several firemen died fighting that blaze. It played havoc with the IRT and BMT subway lines. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by W.B. on Tue Mar 6 13:36:35 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by northshore on Tue Mar 6 11:59:43 2018. Route 8 apparently lasted for a short while after the 1954 one-way conversions of Eighth Avenue from Abingdon Square to Columbus Circle, and of Seventh Avenue south of Times Square; its NB route was shifted to Hudson Street and Eighth Avenue from Canal Street to 59th Street, before its being folded into the 10.But that 9 was discontinued in 1943 (though it did show up on a 1947 Hagstrom's map as well as a NYC Omnibus map from that same year, with a pic of bus 1773 shown - doubtless once-a-day at that point), explains its absence from the scene as of that 1954 change. |
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Posted by northshore on Tue Mar 6 13:52:41 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 6 12:51:14 2018. Yes, Wanamaker's was a gigantic Dept Store back in the day, even outdoing Macy*s. Many bus routes terminated there. Fifth Svenue Coach used Wanaaker Terminal on their destination signs. Wanamaker Place still exists today. The store closed in 1954, after customers moved uptown, and Astor Place lost its glamour. The fire occurred in 1956, after the stroe was vacant |
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Posted by W.B. on Tue Mar 6 14:30:51 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by northshore on Tue Mar 6 13:52:41 2018. I.I.N.M., Wanamaker Place is now home to Kmart. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 6 17:46:23 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 6 11:19:04 2018. AFAIK, it was only the S/B Bedford Pk platform that was damage since it’s the only one between the CYd lead and the Mosholu Yd lead. The story was that the crew was given a tk number in Mosholu Yd and told to “clear the signal.” The crew certainly did clear the signal - right off its pedestal. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 6 17:56:04 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 6 12:51:14 2018. As regular customers at the old Wanamaker’s, my mother and I went downtown to view as much as we could of FDNY activity. There was so much water poured into the fire that it went into the IRT subway undermining the roadbed causing it to sink I believe about 6 ft. The roadbed on tk 1 was completely replaced by a modified type II but with all ties going completely across and no trough between the rails. As a historical note, the Wanamaker store had a monorail kiddie ride that ran along the periphery of the mezzanine giving the children a view of the main floor. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Mar 6 18:19:16 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 6 12:46:47 2018. I can only imagine what would have happened if a Triplex had pulled a stunt like that... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Mar 6 18:23:05 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 6 17:56:04 2018. The story goes that an R-17 6 train was pulling into Astor Place just as the trackbed gave way. Since the front section of the train was in the station, the conductor was able to open the doors in that section and everyone managed to get out safely. The trackbed continued to drop and the first car went down with it. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Mar 7 06:53:55 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by W.B. on Tue Mar 6 14:30:51 2018. Yes- but that's still not the Wanamaker building. The Wanamaker building was where the white brick apartment building stands now- 1 block to the north of K Mart.In fact, it was the demolition crew that accidently set the Wanamaker fire.. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 7 09:10:44 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 6 10:51:55 2018. Any explanation for the R10 going where no R10 has gone before? "I thought it was an R12!", or maybe "Wait, IND trains are too big for IRT platforms?" ... |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Mar 7 09:25:44 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Mar 6 18:19:16 2018. One fairly damaged platform. The Triplex, of course would just shrug it off... |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Mar 7 09:57:11 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 6 17:46:23 2018. B division cars wouldn't clear the signals on IRT (elevated) lines? If that was the case, when they converted the Astoria line to the BMT specs, did they have to re-position all the signals? If so then the conversion was a lot more than just shaving back platforms ( and re-positioning the trip arms) |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Mar 7 11:11:28 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Mar 7 06:53:55 2018. Actually Wanamaker's was in 2 buildings. The old store (the one being demolished when the fire occurred) and the "new" building where K-Mart now partially occupies. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Mar 7 14:19:15 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by northshore on Wed Mar 7 11:11:28 2018. Oh, OK. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 15:24:52 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Mar 7 14:19:15 2018. If I recall, on one of the floors, there was a covered bridge between the 2 buildings similar to the one between Saks 34 St and Gimbels. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 15:51:08 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Mar 7 09:57:11 2018. Dual contract IRT elevated lines like Jerome were built to BMT specs like the Lex Av and Pelham subways. Prior to recent station rehabs, station platforms on those lines had metal extenders to close the gap between the actual platform edge and the narrower IRT car bodies. In the case of the els, the wooden platforms were merely built to platform IRT cars and if ever at some point connected to either the BMT or IND, then the platforms could be cut back with a circular or other type of saw as was done on the Astoria Line. As was the case with the Astoria Line, the signals were already mounted to clear 10 ft wide cars even though it wasn’t immediately necessary. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 7 18:59:49 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 6 10:51:55 2018. Let us not forget that the last streetcar ran over the Brooklyn Bridge on March 6th, 1950! |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Mar 7 20:22:28 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 6, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 15:24:52 2018. Correct |
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