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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Mar 5 15:21:53 2018 Tuscarora Almanac - March 5, 1941 - The Book of First Runs Brooklyn, New York New York City Board of Transportation – BMT Division The three- section articulated train known as the "Bluebird" begins service today on the BMT No. 2 Fourth Avenue Line. The five production units are numbered 8001-8005 and should not be confused with the prototype 8000. Source: NYD Bulletin May 1995, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac - March 5, 1944 - The Book of Last Runs New York City Board of Transportation BMT Division The operation of BMT Division elevated trains across the Brooklyn Bridge comes to an end today. Source: NYD Bulletin March 1994 Tuscarora Almanac - March 5, 1984 - The Book of Last Runs Westchester County, New York Metro-North Railroad The Thornwood Station on the Harlem Line is closed. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Mar 5 17:41:34 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Mar 5 15:21:53 2018. "The Thornwood Station on the Harlem Line is closed."Yep...all part of the 3d rail & high platform installation project. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 18:46:32 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Mar 5 15:21:53 2018. Jim Greller’s book on BMT equipment has a photo of Bluebird 8000 with a full H drawhead complete with electric potion, yet official records indicate that it never operated with the other Bluebirds. Does anyone know what that’s all about? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 5 21:44:12 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 18:46:32 2018. Why did they build any trains without couplers in the first place? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Mar 5 23:16:43 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Mar 5 15:21:53 2018. It took about a year for the City to convince the wartime Office of Defense Transportation to allow BMT el trains to cease operation over the bridge. When the feds were finally convinced that the center tracks would be used for a rail purpose (Brooklyn streetcars), they allowed the abandonment. The last train left Park Row at about 12 Noon and rolled through Bridge St at 12:08PM. The tracks just west of the station were immediately embargoed with rail ties secureded atop the tracks. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 23:58:40 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 5 21:44:12 2018. Since the Green Hornet, Zephyr and the first Bluebird unit 8000, were each one of a kind trains there was no need for any regular couplers. They all had emergency adapter couplers in the even they needed to be towed. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 6 15:20:10 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Mar 5 23:16:43 2018. I believe they began demolition that very day... |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Mar 7 00:48:18 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Mar 5 15:21:53 2018. What was the reason why they closed the BMT Elevated line over the Brooklyn Bridge? Low ridership? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 01:58:55 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Mar 7 00:48:18 2018. Even back as far as the BRT days, there were plans to remove the el trains from the Bkln Br despite the provision for a ramp up to the bridge at the S/E (RR N/E) of Chambers St station. As part of the dual contracts, the Fulton St el was to be connected to the 4 Av Subway via the Ashland Pl connection after the entire line was rebuilt to hold steel cars. Along with that, the Myrtle el which at the time included the Lex and 5 Av lines would have a new station constructed at Flatbush Av extension with direct stairways and probably an escalator as well to the now abandoned Myrtle Av (Gold St) station of the subway. Once that was done (and of course it wasn’t) el trains could be removed from the bridge which would also mean in all likelihood, the demolition of the Park Row terminal although it could possibly have seen some limited use for streetcars. There was mention of relocating the extreme western portion of the Fulton St El off Fulton St and realigning the approaches to Sands St which selected short line trains of the Fulton that didn’t go into the subway would share with Myrtle trains which would terminate there since with passengers being afforded a transfer to the subway at Flatbush, there would be no need to go any farther. |
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Posted by subfan on Wed Mar 7 04:45:07 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 01:58:55 2018. Just a thought re: the Park Row terminal - was any thought ever given to trying to route Manhattan els over the Brooklyn via a connection from the Citi Hall terminal? From the photos I've seen, the two terminals were adjacent, and while they were at right angles, it does not seem like it would have been too difficult to construct a ramp from the Manhattan El, branching off before the terminal, up to the tail tracks of the Park Row terminal.I know that the IRT and BMT were competitors, but they did have joint operations in some other places (like Astoria and Corona). Would that have been possible here as well, and was it ever considered? subfan |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Mar 7 06:38:28 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 01:58:55 2018. Too bad that none of that became reality. Imagine if we'd had that, instead of the IND... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Mar 7 06:41:05 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Mar 7 06:38:28 2018. And that's no insult to the IND. I love the original look IND tile, the Arnines, and the really long express runs on CPW and Queens Blvd- especially when they were fast...Just picturing in my mind a world where the Fulton El ties into De Kalb, and maybe some other elevated line survive... |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 15:20:45 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Mar 7 06:38:28 2018. We might have still had parts of what eventually became the IND. The CPW line was intended to be connected to the tracks N/O 57/7 now used for 63 St and the SAS. The present Crosstown Line was under consideration as an elevated line later changed to a subway originating from the Qnsbro Plz el structure. Even after the existing IND lines were under construction, Mayor Hylan was no longer in office so putting the BMT out of business was no longer on the table so the BMT was offered the new subway lines for it to operate. The BMT refused unless it would be allowed to raise the fare above 5 cents which was at the time politically undoable so the B of T ended up going into the subway business. Had the BMT agreed to take mover the new lines, what became the eventual merger of the BMT and IND with Chrystie would have looked quite a bit different. For one thing, the lettering system with which we are now familiar would probably not have been used since I have a photo of an R-1 mockup which shows a numbered route sign presumably continuing the number sequence established by the BMT in 1923. Its possible that even under B of T aegis, some of the BMT lines planned under the dual contracts would have been built but connected to the rest of the system differently. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 7 19:15:56 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 15:20:45 2018. Back in 1923-1925, the BMT had no interest in dealing with the Board of Transportation in any matter. Recently reorganized from the BRT's bankruptcy, it did not wish to buy the 200 steel subway cars needed for the Ashland place connector for its Fulton el trains. that alone would have cost over $8 million, plus the cost of rebuilding the older Kings County el, east of Ashland Pl. Not only was it the 5 cent fare, but also the failure to complete the Nassau connection from Chambers St to the Montague tunnel. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 20:28:54 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Mar 7 19:15:56 2018. I wouldn’t say that the BNT wasn’t interested in purchasing new cars since they were rebuilding some el cars into C types and also designing the D types. The issue of the Ashland Pl connection was moot at the time anyhow since as long as Hylan was in office, which he was back then, no new construction of any kind benefitting the privates was going to happen |
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