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Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 5 23:17:16 2018

I was on the J last week and saw only R160s and R179s. I haven't ridden the IND extensively enough to comment on its fleet in totality.

Are there any R32s still on the J? Have they moved to the A? The C? The scrapyard?

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by joe c on Tue Mar 6 16:09:22 2018, in response to Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 5 23:17:16 2018.

ENY still has R32s running on the J line.




til next time

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 6 19:03:41 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by joe c on Tue Mar 6 16:09:22 2018.

I saw plenty of R32's 2 weeks ago. Probably 50/50 with NTT.
The first train I took in each direction had an R32 show up.
I notice they tend to fleet SMEE and NTT trains in batches.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 6 19:52:18 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 6 19:03:41 2018.

Why would they do that? Wouldn't it be better to alternate them

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 6 19:57:12 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 6 19:52:18 2018.

I don't know. Ask the yardmaster.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Mar 6 20:04:08 2018, in response to Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 5 23:17:16 2018.

Seen at least 5 sets on the J today, three in ENY yard and 2 in service, I didn't even ride the line end to end, just from Broadway Junction to Flushing Av, 32's are still easy to find on the J. And no, no 32's have been retired recently, the 179's are bumping 32's to the A/C lines, R32 A trains a lot more common these days. I even see 32's on the Far Rock (A) been regularly these days, a couple weeks ago they was on the Far Rock A back to back.



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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 6 20:53:26 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Mar 6 20:04:08 2018.

I even see 32's on the Far Rock (A) been regularly these days, a couple weeks ago they was on the Far Rock A back to back.

OOOH, I FEEL A DAY OFF COMING UP! :-D

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Mar 6 20:58:22 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 6 20:53:26 2018.

They're still on the Far Rockaway back to back. Even though they run everyday, they are more prevalent on weekdays.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 6 21:41:03 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 6 19:57:12 2018.

Maybe because if a train breaks down and the have to push it, it would be better to have cars with the same type of coupler. Just a thought.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Mar 6 23:30:33 2018, in response to Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 5 23:17:16 2018.

I was on an R-32 J from Broadway Junction to Jamaica last Wednesday around 9:00 PM after taking an NTT M from Essex Street.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 6 23:50:05 2018, in response to Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 5 23:17:16 2018.

Possibly related: I saw a train of R32s on the C tonight, 4 cars of which I knew to have recently been ENY assigned.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by heypaul on Wed Mar 7 00:02:53 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Mar 6 23:30:33 2018.

By the time the R32's retire, they won't have any energy to enjoy their golden years.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by MTA T on Wed Mar 7 00:50:23 2018, in response to Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 5 23:17:16 2018.

They are only moving to the C/A

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Mar 7 06:44:05 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by MTA T on Wed Mar 7 00:50:23 2018.

Incredible how long those cars have lasted.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 07:12:16 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Mar 6 21:41:03 2018.

Could be.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Bzuck on Wed Mar 7 08:11:12 2018, in response to Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 5 23:17:16 2018.

They will need additional cars during the L shutdown so the R32s will be around for a while.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 7 09:04:16 2018, in response to Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 5 23:17:16 2018.

Any R42 J trains left, or are they just limited to the M shuttles?

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by zac on Wed Mar 7 09:19:00 2018, in response to Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 5 23:17:16 2018.

I still think the R32 should make one final run on every line they've ever run on, starting with the Q. I suppose that would be just about every B division line at this point, except maybe the L? I don't think I ever saw one on the L, but that could be because I haven't had much reason to be on the L over the years, except my days at Stuy 68-71.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 09:26:54 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 7 09:04:16 2018.

I witnessed 2 R42's on the J 2 weeks ago, plus others scattered in the yard.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 09:36:03 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by zac on Wed Mar 7 09:19:00 2018.

They can't run on the R, W (Montague clearances) or the L (CBTC).

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 7 10:14:12 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 7 09:04:16 2018.

I saw one coming into Woodhaven about a week and a half ago.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 7 10:17:05 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by zac on Wed Mar 7 09:19:00 2018.

Oh they ran on the L regularly
for a few years from '83 to '86.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Mar 7 11:36:37 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 7 10:17:05 2018.

I operated one on the L at least once.

There was a time when CIYD barn was being reconstructed, so the R32's were being inspected at ENY barn. So they were being transferred/rotated.

IDN remember if any migrated to the J

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 7 12:15:10 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Mar 7 11:36:37 2018.

They covered the whole Eastern Division at that time. I was able to ride them on all three Lines. Rode them on the J most times.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 12:24:48 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Mar 7 12:15:10 2018.

Probably because the R16's were falling apart faster than they expected, and had to get something to fill in.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 7 13:14:21 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by zac on Wed Mar 7 09:19:00 2018.

The 32 has operated on everything in the B Division.
Even the L,when the R30 cars were being GOH.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 7 13:15:56 2018, in response to Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 5 23:17:16 2018.

They are still there.
Plenty enough.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 7 13:27:03 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 09:26:54 2018.

Yup...two R42 sets,three 143,a few 179/160 and plenty of 32s.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 13:43:50 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Mar 7 13:15:56 2018.

There were only 2 R179's running as of 2 weeks ago.
24 R42''s are stranded on the Myrtle Avenue line. 26 ought to remain on the J.
I think an R160 and 2 R32 sets out of 10 or 11 have been sent to 207th.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Mar 7 15:10:42 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 13:43:50 2018.

A third 179 set was recently put into service.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 15:23:13 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Mar 7 06:44:05 2018.

So far I think the only other cars that lasted as long without a complete rebuilding (as opposed to simply a GOH) were the last of the Gibbs Hi-Vs which went from 1904 to about 1958 and it looks like the R-32s will break that record.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by jabrams on Wed Mar 7 15:36:29 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Bzuck on Wed Mar 7 08:11:12 2018.

During the L shutdown, how many sets of "L" trains won't be needed on the shortened trip? (Rockaway Pkwy to Bedford, but only 1 pocket).

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 15:41:19 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by jabrams on Wed Mar 7 15:36:29 2018.

Why would only one pocket be used at Bedford?

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Bzuck on Wed Mar 7 17:11:28 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by jabrams on Wed Mar 7 15:36:29 2018.

There will be a few less L trains required but other lines will require additional cars such as A, C, M, J, and mostly the G which will run full length trains at a shorter headway.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 7 18:05:08 2018, in response to Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 5 23:17:16 2018.

Neat New Yorker article about the R32s

New Yorkís Oldest Subway Cars, Beautiful Symbols of a Sad Decline

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 7 18:47:19 2018, in response to Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 5 23:17:16 2018.

Budd really outdid themselves with the R-32s. I prefer to remember them as delivered: blue doors, green backlit side destination signs, the list goes on and on.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Mar 7 19:18:59 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by heypaul on Wed Mar 7 00:02:53 2018.

At the rate they are going, they may outlast the Transit Museum.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 20:17:12 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 15:23:13 2018.

Q as Triplets lasted in various forms of bodily rebuilds from around 1903 to 1969.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 20:32:30 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 20:17:12 2018.

I specifically said WITHOUT a complete rebuilding which the Qs definitely had.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 7 20:53:02 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 7 18:05:08 2018.

I have to laugh at newspaper and magazine articles that talk about most of the transit systemís signal system being prewar when that description is highly inaccurate. The entire BMT is 1960s or later, the oldest installation of which is City Hall Master Tower controlling the entire Bway Subway. I havenít been to the IRT in a while, but I believe it is now entirely postwar with the oldest installation being the IRT Bway Line controlled from T/Sq Master Tower. The IND has the last of the prewar US&S and GRS lever machines and I count only 15 of those remaining although my count may be off since Iím not sure of the status of the IND east of Roosevelt Ave. Iím also not too sure if 207 and Conc Yd have had their lever machines replaced yet even though the Wash Hts and Concourse mainlines are controlled from master towers. Very little of the systemís signal system is prewar and I notice that many of the lines experiencing signal failures recently have been the ones equipped with the newest signals.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 7 21:05:10 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 7 18:47:19 2018.

The R-32s are like Boeing's B-52 bomber, another relic of that general era. The airplane has also far exceeded its expected service life.

That's what real craftsmanship, and superb design will get you, in both cases!

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 7 21:07:06 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Mar 7 06:44:05 2018.

They're still my favorite cars.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 8 00:15:30 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 7 12:24:48 2018.

IDK the reason but there were plenty of R16s on the J during that time. In fact the R16s seemed to have provided the bulk of the service.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 8 06:16:55 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 7 21:05:10 2018.

The same can be said about the BMT standards and Triplexes, although the Triplexes IMHO were pulled much too soon.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 06:55:36 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 8 06:16:55 2018.

The Triplexes were TOO successful. They had to pull them, or they would have made the Arnines look like junk, which they were, compared to BMT equipment.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 06:56:09 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 8 00:15:30 2018.

The GE cars were first to go.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 8 12:54:54 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Mar 7 21:07:06 2018.

Now that the pre-war fleet has been gone for decades, as well as R's 1-30,33,36 & 40, 32's are all we've got - for living history and character (sucb as post-war cars can have "character") and of course, the RFW...

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 8 13:04:17 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Mar 7 21:05:10 2018.

It was posted here, that the Low-V's were pulled off the mainlines in 1964, so there would be no contrast between riding the R-33's/36's and "old fashioned" pre-war cars, by tourists who would come to NYC for the Fair.
It they had not been pulled for this artificial reason, how long do people think that the remaining Low-V fleet on the mainlines could have lasted (re: maintenance and MDBF)?

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 8 13:57:23 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 8 06:55:36 2018.

I think they were pulled because the TA didnít want to deal with articulation. It seems that articulation fell out of favor with transit agencies after WWII as evidenced by the CTAís not wanting to order any more artics, opting instead for married pairs. I canít really say that the R-9s were junk as compared with the D types since they were very similar. The principal reason that the R-1/9s lacked many of the technical amenities of BMT equipment was in all likelihood that those features were under patent to the BMT which the city was initially committed to putting out of business. The city of NY wasnít about to pay a company it was trying to eliminate any royalties which in effect would have helped the BMT.

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Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?

Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 8 13:59:56 2018, in response to Re: Have Any R32s Been Retired Recently?, posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 8 13:04:17 2018.

The newest of the Lo-Vs could probably have lasted into the 1970s. At that time the TA considered 50 years as the maximum useful life of a railcar although the estimate was later changed to 35 years.

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