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Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Mar 2 12:12:48 2018 Next phase |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 2 15:49:34 2018, in response to Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Mar 2 12:12:48 2018. Wait until this summer. There will be no Empire Connection at all. All Albany and beyond trains will run in and out of GCT. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Mar 2 16:56:55 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 2 15:49:34 2018. Oh, my! |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Mar 2 18:23:39 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 2 15:49:34 2018. all but lake shore, it will terminate in Boston . |
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Posted by ro_jo on Fri Mar 2 19:02:26 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Mar 2 18:23:39 2018. Wait.. they'll keep the legs combined?No water-level-route Chicago trains from NYC at all? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Mar 2 21:28:31 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Mar 2 18:23:39 2018. They won't do the detour via the Mott Haven wye, New Rochelle and the Hell Gate? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 2 22:36:02 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by ro_jo on Fri Mar 2 19:02:26 2018. Amtrak has no facilities in GCT to service 48/49 Lake Shore train. To much $$$ needed to bring a crew of car cleaners, inspectors, machinists, commissary, baggage handlers etc from Penn to GCT to service that train. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 07:07:04 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by ro_jo on Fri Mar 2 19:02:26 2018. That's right, and no playing Cary Grant in the dining car up the Hudson.You'll transfer at Albany, which has full length high level platforms, for 3 months. People will live. The Boston section has to go through that shit for numerous period of months or years over the last 15 years. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 07:08:13 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Mar 2 21:28:31 2018. Too time consuming. Metro North also said No, with a capital N. Too disruptive to their operations, especially at New Rochelle. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 08:17:46 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by ro_jo on Fri Mar 2 19:02:26 2018. We don't know what they will do with the normal NY cars or rearrange the consist. Boston Mechanical hates servicing the one sleeper. I doubt they will send all 3 there, as well as a diner. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 3 10:32:44 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 07:08:13 2018. It would have been do-able on weekends (as it was done during the empire connector switch replacement project a few years ago) but weekdays is a non-starter. Might have been a different story if reversing wasn't required. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 10:41:20 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 3 10:32:44 2018. Since the Lake Shore's equipment goes south on one day and back the next, it makes no sense to have differing operations weekends and weekdays, and the passengers would never understand |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 3 15:52:36 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 10:41:20 2018. Yup, thus my "would have" statement. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Mar 3 18:24:42 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 07:08:13 2018. I think the real obstacles are the extra time and the need to have locomotives at both ends.MNRR trains do the reversal at New Rochelle every day in the height of the AM and PM rush hours. In the AM, an empty train comes from GCT into the yard track north of New Rochelle, and quickly reverses and becomes a New Rochelle to GCT local. In the PM, New Rochelle locals go into the same yard track, quickly reverse, and deadhead back to GCT for another load. So outside of rush hour the same could be done with Amtrak trains, but it would require locomotives at both ends. And it's just a long detour. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:05:05 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 3 18:24:42 2018. Cross platforms at Albany on a long high level platform is far easier than playing train. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 3 21:45:47 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 2 15:49:34 2018. Pity they can't do the same with Boston-New York Acelas. Should've had a few power cars with 750V DC third rail capability. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 01:50:34 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:05:05 2018. Not for the passengers! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Mar 4 05:12:58 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 10:41:20 2018. I think the passengers would understand, if you state it clearly in the timetables. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:28:15 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 01:50:34 2018. Yes, for them too. If they can do it at Babylon, they can do it at Albany.If you take an intercity bus, they throw you off at every fuel stop, like Albany too. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 13:37:53 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 19:05:05 2018. Platforms in Albany are across the river in TROY!ROARING |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 13:46:22 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 13:37:53 2018. They are not in TROY! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:48:19 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 13:37:53 2018. We know that , but Rensselaer is too may keystrokes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 13:49:26 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:48:19 2018. LOL! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 4 15:08:56 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 13:37:53 2018. Picky, Picky, Picky. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Mar 4 15:31:44 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:48:19 2018. I worked on Green Island in the early 1960's, it's cold up there in the winter, much colder than Philadelphia,Pa., and at that time, a lot more snow.The Albany-Troy-Schenectady Triangle.Albany-Rensselaer are adjacent. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Mar 4 16:01:55 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Mar 4 15:31:44 2018. I never paid much attention to the train tracks up near Albany, NY, and have not been back up there since the early '60s. That's interesting about the train station being in Rensselaer, and it's called the Albany-Rensselaer Amtrak station! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Mar 4 16:01:55 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Mar 4 15:31:44 2018. I never paid much attention to the train tracks up near Albany, NY, and have not been back up there since the early '60s. That's interesting about the train station being in Rensselaer, and it's called the Albany-Rensselaer Amtrak station! |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 4 16:09:16 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Mar 4 16:01:55 2018. I believe it was not in Rensselaer the last time you were there. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Mar 4 16:12:46 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 4 16:09:16 2018. Thank you! |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 16:21:45 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:28:15 2018. The difference is that when changing trains you have to take your luggage with you so a cross platform transfer is not easier for the passengers. As for buses, while passengers have to get off during refueling, their luggage can remain on the bus. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 16:33:05 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 16:21:45 2018. They'll live. It's for 3 months. The Boston section had to do it repeatedly for months at a time over the last 15 years.The Lake Shore will have to change. I don't know about the Maple Leaf and Adirondack, which will be combined. The others will simply change engines. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 21:48:22 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 16:33:05 2018. If it’s only going to be for 3 months then it shouldn’t be done during the summer when most people are traveling but during then off season. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 4 22:51:58 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by randyo on Sun Mar 4 21:48:22 2018. It has to be the summer to reduce impact on the rush hour commuters. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 01:10:25 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 4 22:51:58 2018. Then arrangements MUST be made to handle the service from GCT regardless of what the MTA thinks! |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 03:34:33 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 01:10:25 2018. This entire thread has never actually explained why the Lake Shore can't go to GCT. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 10:56:29 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 03:34:33 2018. Yes, it has.AMTK does not have service facilities (tracks, infrastructure and people) at GCT to handle sleepers and diners. Yes, the New York Central did it, but those facilities are long gone. ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 11:01:32 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 10:56:29 2018. Ah, OK, separate sub-thread. Thanks. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 13:59:38 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 10:56:29 2018. Then Amtrak has a non negotiable OBLIGATION to get the necessary personnel etc there. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 14:06:37 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 13:59:38 2018. Why? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 14:16:26 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 3 10:32:44 2018. weekdays is a non-starterWhy? The current departure out of Penn is 3:40 PM. Arrive in New Rochelle 4:10 PM, before rush hour. If you have an engine at both ends, you can get reversed in a few minutes, and only be taking up one of two northbound tracks (both of which platform) while you're doing it. The arrival in Penn at 6:23 PM means you'd only get to New Rochelle about that time. Tail end of rush hour. But push back the whole schedule by an hour and again, no problem occupying a track for a few minutes. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 14:39:24 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 14:16:26 2018. Metro North said NO. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 14:46:26 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 14:39:24 2018. But why? The stated reason makes no sense. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 14:52:03 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 03:34:33 2018. They'd also have to leave it there overnight. As it is the combine Maple Leaf/Adirondack will. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 14:55:00 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 14:46:26 2018. They don't want more congestion at New Rochellle. It's bad enough with Massachusetts trains crossing over there. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 15:02:18 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 14:55:00 2018. One more train per day in each direction. No big deal outside of rush hour.And they spent a load of money reconstructing New Rochelle Station (it used to be a traditional local station arrangement) so that it would be easier for southbound Amtrak trains to cross over. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 5 16:00:26 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 5 13:59:38 2018. Maybe... but not if they do not run those trains there.In NYP, AMTK provides all of the car knockers for AMTK, NJT and LIRR. It is the station, not the railroad that provides those services in the station. In GCT it would be MNCR who provides these services, and they have no services for sleepers and diners. Indeed, even in NYP, those services are provided in Sunnyside and not in NYP itself. ROAR |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Mar 5 16:59:59 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 03:34:33 2018. Amtrak has no facilities in GCT to service 48/49 Lake Shore train. To much $$$ needed to bring a crew of car cleaners, inspectors, machinists, commissary, baggage handlers etc from Penn to GCT to service that train. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 17:31:10 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 15:02:18 2018. It is at least another hour in running time. Not worth it. It would then have to leave NYPS at 240pm, and not get in until 730pm, if on time, which it is often not.People will live. It is for only 3 months. We have people transferring every night in Pittsburgh at midnight and 5am between the 2 trains. It can be easily remedied by thru coaches, as was done for 10 months in 1996. But the so-called advocates don't care, not since the Three Rivers came off 13 years ago. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 5 18:18:33 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 5 17:31:10 2018. It is at least another hour in running time. Not worth it.I already said that many posts ago. All I am saying here is that any excuse MNRR might have for saying no hasn't been well articulated here. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Mar 5 20:38:17 2018, in response to Re: Next Phase-Penn Station Amtrak construction, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Mar 5 16:59:59 2018. Elsewhere I read that until the Empire connector, Amtrak only serviced the LSL on the Chicago end. They could go back to that.In any case, temporarily bringing back the New England States for 3 months isn't that horrible. |
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