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Re: [EXPLANATIONS] East New York Yard 1978-84 |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Jan 13 15:39:51 2018, in response to [EXPLANATIONS] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 13 06:11:51 2018. Than you and thank your anonymous friend for all that information. Would love to see photos of any of the R44/R46 ENY moves but I'm sure none exist otherwise we'd have seen them by now. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 13 15:39:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jan 13 00:04:34 2018. Hard to say, but in this case they might have, to make parts inventory for the glass easier. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 13 15:52:56 2018, in response to Re: [EXPLANATIONS] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Sat Jan 13 06:47:05 2018. Some R-16 were also on the RR during that time and I would occasionally get an early AM putin out of Astoria which was an R-16 consist and even the WH cars were pretty bad almost as bad as the GEs. |
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Re: [EXPLANATIONS] East New York Yard 1978-84 |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 13 16:02:36 2018, in response to Re: [EXPLANATIONS] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by Dan on Sat Jan 13 15:39:51 2018. Just because there haven’t been any photos of those moves posted doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. During the summer of 1969 when I was a M/M on the Myrtle el during its last year of operation, I had dozens of railfans taking movies and photos of me operating both from inside the train and from stations as I approached and I have yet to see any of them in the many slide and movie shows presented at rail and transit clubs over the years. |
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[More Explanations] East New York Yard 1978-84 |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 13 18:51:35 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 08:37:17 2018. The R10s that were painted yellow were supposed to have been used on the two garbage trains that at that time came out of Canarisie (the Eastern and Southern pickups). Normally what had been used were cars grabbed off whatever was running on the LL at the time. Usually wound up being R16s, since they were singles (as a married pair often had problems coming up with enough air to put into the refuse flats). The R10s did not work out too well, though, for a variety of reasons, including a space issue in AY yard (also known as Rockaway Parkway Yard), bad air compressors with low capacity and East New York not really having any parts for the R10s and some inter barn warfare in trying to get parts from Pitkin (which had raided the R16's that had been stored there for years and had no knowledge of where the parts went. Quite a bit of parts "shopping" was done in the wee hours of the morning on weekends, with minimal tools and quite a few lookouts.One other thing. When the M line went from Stillwell/Brighton to Metropolitan Avenue, this became the means of moving R27/30 and R32 cars back and forth to East New York for inspections. After arrival at MA (Metropolitan Avenue) the cars would be taken by a switchman over to East New York and another train brought back. Saved the cost of an extra train running light over the road. The R27/30s on the Franklin Shuttle would get a similar treatment. An M train would leave Coney Island and operate normal to Prospect Park, except it would come in on the Shuttle track. Meanwhile, the shuttle crew had already had the cars they had been using on the Manhattan bound express track. Passengers and crew of the M from Coney would swap over to the express track and continue as an M to Metropolitan Avenue. Meanwhile, the shuttle crew would take the 8 car M and make it into 2 shuttle trains. Just another way of saving moves over the road. Usually this was done with an 8 car train, but there were a number of times we did it with 4 car trains early in the afternoon as well. There were all sorts of tricks to get trains transferred from one place to another as part of the regular service back in the early 80's. |
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Re: [More Explanations] East New York Yard 1978-84 |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Jan 14 00:38:16 2018, in response to [More Explanations] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 13 18:51:35 2018. Why has that changed? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 14 01:44:51 2018, in response to Re: [EXPLANATIONS] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 13 16:02:36 2018. Selkirk graves a pic of my pops operating a D Train years ago and posted it.I should have saved it, but we got enough pics of him at 168th St during his 15 Jamaica days. |
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Re: [More Explanations] East New York Yard 1978-84 |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 14 06:45:52 2018, in response to Re: [More Explanations] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Jan 14 00:38:16 2018. Why has that changed?Why has what changed ? Bill Newkirk |
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Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jan 14 14:41:44 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 08:37:17 2018. Is the last pic from 1984, not '94?Also, I like the "MM" rollsign in pic two with the first M covered up. And I'm saddened at the trains signed for Jamaica-168th- which still existed, but was standing there doomed at the time. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jan 14 14:47:14 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 16:04:26 2018. The late 1980s seemed like a miracle. Yes, I know the City had other problems, like crack, but what had been achieved on the subway seemed miraculous. The graffiti era started when I was in preschool, some I'm not old enough to remember the time before it.I would not have believed the trains could be kept consistently free of it. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 14 16:20:21 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jan 14 14:41:44 2018. 1984 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jan 14 16:37:36 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jan 14 14:41:44 2018. The el east of Sutphin had been gone for years by this time. Station signage for the J line at this time would still say 168th St, but with the additional "via Q49 bus". |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 14 18:20:32 2018, in response to [More Explanations] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 13 18:51:35 2018. AY Yard and Rock Pky Yd are 2 different yards. The original AY yard was at approximately a 90 degree angle to the ROW. The yard parallel to the ROW was originally called the Dump since it was built on landfill composed of garbage dumped by the garbage pickup trains. The “dump’ was expanded in late 1968 and with the expansion, AY was eliminated completely and the new yard named Rockaway Pky Yd.. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 14 21:46:47 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jan 14 14:47:14 2018. Trains were sill clean in the late 60s. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 15 15:06:22 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 14 21:46:47 2018. The exteriors were not washed. Steel trains were all dirty matte brown. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jan 15 18:23:20 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 15 15:06:22 2018. By "clean," I meant graffiti-free. They were washing the R-1/9s then; I remember seeing "City of New York" lettering on the sides of prewar Ethel trains. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jan 15 23:15:08 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 14 21:46:47 2018. Yes, I've seen the pictures. But being born in '68- I can't remember :) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jan 16 06:51:56 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 19:25:11 2018. Could just be an R7/9 still awaiting scrap. I'm sure (others can confirm) that even 11 months after last service, a number of Arnines were laying around the property awaiting disposition.I mean, the last R27 was removed from the property in 2016, right? If an R27 could hang around 25+ years, I'm sure a few stray Arnines were still hiding in yards in early 1978. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jan 16 07:00:05 2018, in response to Re: [EXPLANATIONS] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 13 15:52:56 2018. They were already bad by the late 1960s/early 70s Wow- what lemons they must've been. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jan 16 07:41:26 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jan 16 06:51:56 2018. Your answers may be HERE or HEREBill Newkirk |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Jan 16 08:57:51 2018, in response to Re: [EXPLANATIONS] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jan 16 07:00:05 2018. They were already bad by the late 1960s/early 70s Wow- what lemons they must've been. The R-16's were built by the American Car and Foundry Company which for many years was the premier car building for New York City subway cars. The R-16's were followed by the R-26 and R-28 car classes which gave good and dependable service and lasted into the early 2000's. They even made it into the stored Redbird fraternity. After years of building so many good and reliable trains its odd that the R-16's would be such lemons but there were problems from the very first including their inability to deal with snowstorms and cold weather here in New York. (Did the builders think that the cars were going to Miami?). But then Ford did build the Edsel. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 16 11:26:25 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jan 16 06:51:56 2018. After the last of the R1/9's were retired from passenger service, they were used on the garbage train.I became a MOTORMAN in 1981. One night one of my classmates was assigned the garbage train out of Canarsie Yard. There was a big problem because we had all of one day qualification on the equipment and he felt he wasn't properly trained. Long story short, the train never went out that night. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jan 16 13:09:45 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 16 11:26:25 2018. Thanks for this info!!! |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 16 16:06:56 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 16 11:26:25 2018. I don’t know if the TA was still doing it when you became a M/M but when I became a M/M in 1968, in addition to the qualifying M/M signing the break in papers, the student M/M had to also sign the break in papers attesting to the fact that he had been qualified on the line or lines listed and was fully qualified to operate same. If that M/M signed his break in sheet, then how would he be able to claim insufficient qualification when ordered to operate the equipment in question? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 16 16:21:12 2018, in response to Re: [EXPLANATIONS] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Jan 16 08:57:51 2018. I touched on that in another post. The R-16s were the first BMT/IND cars to have all electric door engines (or “door operators” as the all electric ones were called) and these were manufactured by the National Pneumatic Door Control Co which also manufactured the all electric door operators for the R-11s through 15s. I don’t recall there being similar problems with the R-12s through 15s when the ran on the Flushing line although since there was no other fleet to swap with during cold weather like there was between the R-16 and the Steels, the car maintenance staff in Corona yd probably took better care of the cars since there was only one basic type of car to deal with, the inside C/R controls of the R-15s notwithstanding. The door equipment on the R-30s was also NP and I don’t recall any problems with those cars and they operated on the Brighton lcl in their early days. I hadn’t heard about any similar door problems on the IRT’s R-17s through 22s but their door equipment was manufactured by the Consolidated Car Heating Co which may have produced a sturdier product. Of course, in the case of the IRT, the cars in question were also assigned to pretty much sequestered fleets and almost all the IRT lines had significant portions with outdoor running and no useful fleets to swap with so the car maintainers really didn’t have much choice but to keep the equipment in good operating order. |
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