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[PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94 |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 08:37:17 2018   October 1979    September 1994  |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 12 09:44:52 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 08:37:17 2018. Sept 1994? Or '84? |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Jan 12 09:50:40 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 08:37:17 2018. Very nice. How did that R44/46 end up in the ENY yard (5th photo)? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jan 12 12:34:19 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 08:37:17 2018. nice except for that graffiti. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 12 12:57:50 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 08:37:17 2018. At one time, that was a decent neighborhood. My parents were married at Our lady of Lourdes, on DeSales Place, 3 blocks northwest of the ENY yard. |
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Posted by BMRR on Fri Jan 12 13:14:13 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 08:37:17 2018. Last Picture - What are those really yellow R10s used for? |
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Posted by Mr RT on Fri Jan 12 14:43:24 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 08:37:17 2018. R16 & R10s |
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Posted by Q4 on Fri Jan 12 15:07:36 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Dan on Fri Jan 12 09:50:40 2018. I am wondering the same thing. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jan 12 15:30:23 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 08:37:17 2018. nice photos |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 12 15:42:44 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Mr RT on Fri Jan 12 14:43:24 2018. I remember when that yard had "C" cars! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 15:54:46 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jan 12 09:44:52 2018. Sept 1994? Or '84?It is Sept. 1984, hit the wrong key. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 16:04:26 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jan 12 12:34:19 2018. Those were the bad old days of graffiti and filthy trains. July 1989 - No Graffiti  |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 16:14:48 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jan 12 15:30:23 2018. Thanks, have another. lol  |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 16:16:43 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 12 15:42:44 2018. I remember when that yard had "C" cars!C Types ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 16:16:49 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 12 15:42:44 2018. I remember when that yard had "C" cars!C Types ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri Jan 12 16:56:04 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 08:37:17 2018. In the second photo, the R1/9 unit has an 'E' route but a destination of Concourse Bedford Blvd. How did that happen? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 16:56:42 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 12 12:57:50 2018. If I remember what my late mother in law told me, there was a restaurant and beer garden which was right over the 14 St Line portal into Bushwick/Aberdeen station. It was owned and operated by a local brewery, Trommers back in the day when Bkln was full of breweries. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 16:59:18 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 16:16:49 2018. Yes, and BUs as well. Back then there were also brick fire walls between the tracks to prevent fire from spreading from one track to another in case one of the trains caught fire. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 17:06:29 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri Jan 12 16:56:04 2018. It was probably an R-9 that missed getting the BMT route signs installed when it was transferred off the IND. Unlike the R-16 through 38s which had the route letters installed in the destination sign box, the R-9s had the BMT route sighs installed in the original route sign boxes and the destination signs turned to blank. Whenever I worked the 14 St Line as a V/R M/M I would turn the destination box to read “Rockaway Park” which was a pretty close match to the side sign readings of “Rockaway Parkway." |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 17:07:42 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Dan on Fri Jan 12 09:50:40 2018. Around that time, there was a fantrip run with a 4 car R-46 so that may be left over from that. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 12 17:36:30 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Dan on Fri Jan 12 09:50:40 2018. My best guess it came down (towed) the LIRR Bay Ridge branch, switched from there to the Canarsie Line. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jan 12 18:52:50 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri Jan 12 16:56:04 2018. Signs in yards mean nothing. Car equipment could have been doing maintenance on it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 12 19:20:47 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 08:37:17 2018. Am I nuts, or is that an R44 in the back of picture #5???? |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Jan 12 19:25:02 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Dan on Fri Jan 12 09:50:40 2018. I remember reading here on SubChat that they had to send some there to wash or paint, something like that. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 19:25:11 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 17:06:29 2018. It was probably an R-9 that missed getting the BMT route signs installed when it was transferred off the IND.That car was a silver/blue strip R-9, the last of its kind retired on March 31, 1977. I thought R-4's were work motors, any idea what this car was since R-9's were retired a year before that photo was taken ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 19:39:02 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 12 19:20:47 2018. Am I nuts, or is that an R44 in the back of picture #5????That's two R-46's. I don't know why they were there. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 12 19:48:57 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Dan on Fri Jan 12 09:50:40 2018. Very carefully. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 12 19:51:29 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 19:25:11 2018. Well, the storm door has a split window, so it had to be an R-7 or R-9 unless an R-6 made it out there. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jan 12 19:52:09 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by BMRR on Fri Jan 12 13:14:13 2018. I was wondering the same thing. The paint job looks real fresh.I don't ever recall seeing them on the road. I wonder how they compared to the 4-motor R1/9 work motors? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 19:55:59 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 17:07:42 2018. Around that time, there was a fantrip run with a 4 car R-46 so that may be left over from that.That ERA fantrip was on February 26, 1977. Why would ENY yard keep two cars a year after the fantrip ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 19:58:50 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 16:56:42 2018. Undated George Abere Jr. photo - That massive red brick building should be the old brewery, correct ?  |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 20:05:18 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 12 19:51:29 2018. Well, the storm door has a split window, so it had to be an R-7 or R-9 unless an R-6 made it out there.Wait, maybe that's a designated museum car held in storage ? There were at least two units held but scrapped. One 15XX and one 17XX car I believe. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Jan 12 22:04:41 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Dan on Fri Jan 12 09:50:40 2018. What were the R10 work cars used for and were those cut up in Linden by end of year? |
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Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-84 |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jan 12 22:43:03 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 16:14:48 2018. yay |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 23:12:31 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 12 19:51:29 2018. There was actually an R-4 that was renumbered into the R-9 series and transferred to the BMT Eastern and it may have received a spare split window bulkhead door that was left over from a higher numbered car that was scrapped possibly even from the car it replaced. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 23:17:46 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 19:58:50 2018. Looks like it but I can’t say for sure. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jan 13 00:03:23 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 20:05:18 2018. That's entirely possible. A pity they were scrapped along with 1208. You don't suppose..... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jan 13 00:04:34 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 23:12:31 2018. I heard about that. They usually didn't replace storm doors unless they were badly damaged, correct? |
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[EXPLANATIONS] East New York Yard 1978-84 |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 13 06:11:51 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 08:37:17 2018. Well, here may be some of your answers, from a long time friend of mine who wishes anonymity.The mystery of why R44 and R46 cars popped up in East NY yard (D.O. yard) has a very simple explanation. At one time East New York barn was considered underutilized and certain programs for work on some car classes needed a place to do them. This occurred after the K line service was eliminated in 1976. The R44 cars went out there for a program called ziplock in the early 1980s, while R46s went there for similar and other work after the R44s were completed. What you see are cars that were there for that. Even the Lo V museum train was stored in the barn out there for a time before being banished back to the Bronx. There was of course that R46 fan trip out there as well. Coney Island being overwhelmed with the R46 Rockwell truck failures was also a major factor. That silver and blue R1/R9 out there was most likely one of the cars held as a museum car (1600?). It was later stored at Fresh Pond with some other R1/9s and a 3 car set of deck roof BMT Standards, all which met the torch (except 2775, now at Branford) around 1980. I worked in East New York during some of that time period hand switching and on the motors, at times transferring R44 and R46 cars between Coney Island, Jamaica and East NY, via the Williamsburg Bridge. When the new signal system was put in (as well as some track rearrangement on the bridge and the approaches) the clearances were not maintained to continue these types of moves, which also resulted int the R110B cars not being able to clear to go out on the East, as well as (most recently) not being able to send the R44 cars out for scrap via Linden Yard. The first track connection from the Canarsie Line to the Bay Ridge branch (the hand throw north of New Lots) was put in when the Bridge was closed for rebuilding, in order to transfer cars back and forth from ENY to Coney Island. SBK diesels did the move the entire way, down the Bay Ridge line, along the then New York Cross Harbor RR and finally up the SBK to Ninth Avenue, continuing to Coney Island Yard on the West End. East New York in 1983/84 was also the place doing inspections for most work equipment (non diesel, Pelham did the 1938 World's Fair cars), as well as the R32 and R27/30 fleets, which is why you see photos of all these types of equipment there. Many a Sunday was spent making transfers from ENY to Coney Island as cars were hurried through weekend inspection to make service on the South, with the East getting what was left over, last minute releases from the barn (many which were dead but released anyway) and any R16s, which managed to limp and stagger out of the yard. One of the biggest problems with the R16s was found to be mixing the GE 6400s with the Westinghouse 6300s. A smart Trainmaster out there (Dennis Peppel) sat down and analyzed all the R16 problems and found a pattern that a solid train of Westinghouse cars had a better chance of survival than any one that had a GE car in the consist. So the GEs were slowly taken out of the game, and left at the block in DO yard and elsewhere, along with a few problem children Westinghouse cars (repeaters). We also tried running a train of solid GE cars, which was an adventure (it was like being back on the IRT motors to me). Biggest issue was the batteries, which were shot and caused all sorts of problems trainline. An off center key switch (used to turn the carbody lights on and off) could and did cripple many a train as it ran the batteries down. If you look carefully, you will see what looks like a number of derelict 6400 series R16s on the block end. Getting rid of the repeaters and the GE cars actually improved the performance on the R16s, incredibly enough, to the point that some actually wound up being allowed south of Broad Street... The Q car pump train also tended to live out there and it was quite an experience to have R9 work motors coupled to the Q cars, while being in the Pump car head out, operating the train from the pump car, which had BMT standard controllers and ME23 brake valves in it and was train lined through the Q cars (which had been given electric portion equipped H2A couplers on the end cars, same as the pump car). Taking that in and out of the barn and over the road was something else and good training that came in handy later. Working miscellaneous then really was MISCELLANEOUS. Quite a wild but fun time to be out there on the East. And you still had a few people who still used the term District Office (which is where the DO yard designation - left over from telegraph days - came from) even into the early 80's... |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Sat Jan 13 06:47:05 2018, in response to [EXPLANATIONS] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 13 06:11:51 2018. Bill, much thanks to your friend for the explanation. I too was a victim of the R16s when they were used on the GG/EE trains from 1969 to 1973, during the time I was going from Queens to Brooklyn to attend Brooklyn Technical High School.Some of the old girls barely had enough oomph to move at any decent speed, even with the controller wrapped up for full speed (I liked riding in the front car as you can guess), and especially in the under water tunnel between 21st/Van Alst and Greenpoint Ave stations. The fact that I made it in to school on time day in and day out (and not late) was a minor miracle in itself. |
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Posted by BMRR on Sat Jan 13 08:33:33 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 16:14:48 2018. Aww..all alone |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Jan 13 10:16:36 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 16:04:26 2018. Much better. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 13 11:06:40 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 16:04:26 2018. No rusty rooftops either. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Jan 13 11:46:24 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Jan 12 22:04:41 2018. R-10's #3087 and #3315. They were suppose to be work cars assigned from ENY Yard, but they did not last long though. Eventually, they were sent to 1st Avenue-44th Street in Brooklyn, via SBK and Cross Harbor, and then out to New Jersey for scarp.R-10's #3092 and #3324 were once also painted yellow, plus two other ones as well (for a total of up to six of them), all of them being G.E.-equipped. They too did not last long, and #3092 and #3324 went back into regular passenger service, but had to be painted in the MTA's silver/blue paint scheme. -William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Jan 13 11:47:28 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Jan 12 19:52:09 2018. R-10's #3087 and #3315. They were suppose to be work cars assigned from ENY Yard, but they did not last long though. Eventually, they were sent to 1st Avenue-44th Street in Brooklyn, via SBK and Cross Harbor, and then out to New Jersey for scarp.R-10's #3092 and #3324 were once also painted yellow, plus two other ones as well (for a total of up to six of them), all of them being G.E.-equipped. They too did not last long, and #3092 and #3324 went back into regular passenger service, but had to be painted in the MTA's silver/blue paint scheme. -William A. Padron ["Fulton-East N.Y."] |
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Re: [EXPLANATIONS] East New York Yard 1978-84 |
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Posted by BMRR on Sat Jan 13 12:29:59 2018, in response to [EXPLANATIONS] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 13 06:11:51 2018. Lot of info, Bill.Just looking at the last picture, there is an R32 in there among the 16s, its signed up for "N" |
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Posted by Mr RT on Sat Jan 13 13:38:07 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Mr RT on Fri Jan 12 14:43:24 2018. One of the benefits of going to a meeting at East NY if I got there early was that I could ascend some stairs & get up close & personal with the cars in the yard. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Jan 13 14:02:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 19:58:50 2018. Yes, that's it. I even remember when it was "live". |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Jan 13 15:29:49 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-94, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 12 19:55:59 2018. Interesting fact. I always thought the only time R46s ever ventured into the eastern division in a fantrip was during the 07/04/1976 fantrip. Still would love to see photos of either of those fantrips. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 13 15:39:11 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] East New York Yard 1978-84, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 16:59:18 2018. The firewall idea was borrowed from the IRT. In June, 1912, they tested their firewalls in the 159th St el yard. The tests used el cars from the former New York Elevated. These cars had been deemed unfit for electric passenger or non-revenue service. |
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