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Posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 12 12:32:39 2018 @BombardierRail"We’re pleased to report that our R179 cars for #NewYorkCityTransit have successfully completed their extensive on-site qualification testing and 30-day in-service demonstration test and are starting to enter regular passenger service. #Plattsburgh #NewYork"  5:46 AM - 12 Jan 2018 Yep, 3 years late. Congratulations. |
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Posted by Q4 on Fri Jan 12 15:09:26 2018, in response to Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 12 12:32:39 2018. Which is why the aren't getting a sniff on the R211s |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jan 12 15:30:44 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Q4 on Fri Jan 12 15:09:26 2018. Bombardier may survive the current crisis, or they may sink. Time will tell. The list of former carbuilders is long. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 17:20:55 2018, in response to Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 12 12:32:39 2018. Now that the first train passed its 30 day test, is that the OK for delivery of the complete order, or does every train have to undergo a similar 30 day test? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jan 12 17:27:34 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 17:20:55 2018. depends how paranoid MTA is. And by me they should be very paranoid. |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Jan 12 17:42:41 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 17:20:55 2018. They all need burn-in time. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Jan 12 18:26:29 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 17:20:55 2018. Nope, only burn in testing for a couple of days. |
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2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Jan 12 18:29:49 2018, in response to Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 12 12:32:39 2018. If anybody has yet to ride these cars there's two sets of 179s in service on the J today, so finding one just got a little bit easier! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 12 19:45:00 2018, in response to 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Jan 12 18:29:49 2018. Oh, boy! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 12 20:55:50 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jan 12 15:30:44 2018. They will survive because their MultiLevel commuter car isn't just the best bilevel for Penn Station/Grand Central, but also the only one, and BBD owns the design. MNRR/LIRR are going to have a big joint order in the near future. It would be difficult for another manufacturer to underbid them since a new design would need to be developed. There will also likely be a NYS requirement for the purchase, which means another mfgr would need to build a new plant in NY and work that cost into the contract.They also should have no trouble filling the order on time since they would just need to stamp out more of what they have already made close to a thousand times for NJT, MARC and AMT. It's a shame they were barred from the R211 contract, their Movia product (Aka Toronto Rocket) could have been a drop in adaptation for the open gangway variant. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jan 12 21:40:10 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 12 20:55:50 2018. well, you could be waiting for the Toronto streetcars to arrive... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 12 22:35:35 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jan 12 21:40:10 2018. lol, yeah they screwed the pooch on that one. How they fail at a contract in their own backyard is beyond me. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 23:15:26 2018, in response to 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Jan 12 18:29:49 2018. One question. Can the R-179s be coupled in the same trains with either R-160s or 143s? |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jan 12 23:26:53 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 23:15:26 2018. They have the same couplers, but are not interoperable. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jan 13 00:39:12 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 12 22:35:35 2018. start by diverting funds and talent to the hopeless aircraft division. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Sat Jan 13 00:51:11 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 23:15:26 2018. Nope. The electronics between the R-179 and the R-143/R160 differ enough to make them not compatible.Same issue with the new BART cars currently in testing. Not compatible with the old fleet. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jan 13 02:17:11 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Sat Jan 13 00:51:11 2018. We're sorry, all of the apps on your old phone are now obsolete; please buy a completely new system. Although your yewessbee cabling will mechanically connect, the new device cannot access anything from your current phone/tablet/colaptop. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jan 13 02:22:40 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jan 13 02:17:11 2018. That sounds about right...lol!! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Jan 13 06:19:46 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jan 13 02:17:11 2018. Planned obsolescence ?Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 13 07:12:46 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 12 20:55:50 2018. Where did you get the idea that LIRR is in the market for more bi-levels ? I don't recall seeing that in the capital plan.Comparing the MLV and the C-3 for the passenger, the MLV cars suck. Stairs are stepper, narrow, and everyone converges at the single stream high level door. Ingess/egress times are horrible. That matters to LIRR. MNRR may not be aware. NJT doesn't give a shit. MARC and AMT have few high level platforms and don't encounter the issue. MN and LIRR are buying a shitload of MU's from Kawasaki, to be built in Nebraska. MTA's brief love affair with Bombardier has ended. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 13 07:13:57 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jan 13 02:17:11 2018. More like Andorid and Apple. |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Sat Jan 13 07:26:31 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jan 13 00:39:12 2018. Which they unloaded their 'hail Mary' product to Airbus for pretty much nothing.Of course, the Canadian government will bail them out again, as always, so it's not like they care. |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Sat Jan 13 07:32:12 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 13 07:12:46 2018. One wonders with the house cleaning at NJT already under way, if NJT's love affair with BBD will survive, too.Stadler has a potential multilevel EMU contender in the KISS car being built for California, and they'd probably love to snag a major order in the US at this point. I also wouldn't count Siemens out, they've got an excellent multilevel EMU in Europe. Think near Arrow III performance, and a nice interior. I rode on them on SBB 8 years ago, they were pretty fucking impressive. Assuming FRA alternate compliance rules, I bet that a US version would be on par or even better performance - 16 2/3rd Hz transformers are heavy beasts even compared to 25Hz ones... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 13 08:19:08 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 13 07:12:46 2018. Where did you get the idea that LIRR is in the market for more bi-levels ?I don't remember where but I read that the C3s will not be rehabbed. The idea is that: -MNRR, Amtrak and LIRR will all replace their dual modes with a single model. -At the same time, MNRR and LIRR will replace their coaches with a single model. LIRR's weird electrical system will get tossed and the new coaches would be fully interchangeable across the two MTA systems. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 13 08:34:02 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 13 08:19:08 2018. Oh, and as for the door issue - they should try and make a design tweak to have the C3 width doors, and nix the vestibules at one end of the car. Nixing both is almost within the realm of possibility - with very little work MNRR can have all the necessary stations with high platform (Breakneck and Manitou will likely be getting one door high platforms, Merrit 7 is getting a 6 car high platform, at that point they just need to do a Mt Pleasant style platform for Appalachian trail).CDOT could keep the best of the Shoreliners for the Waterbury branch, and probably do a combined order for the Hartford line and Waterbury branch in the distant future. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 13 12:05:37 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 13 08:19:08 2018. They are leasing 21, not just 8 , MARC cars next summer just so they have the shop margin that they can get rehabbed.They also got the C-3's to not only to operate wit the DE/DM, but also tested and run with a MARC cab car. They can adapt MU cables. There are not even rumors that MTA has any intentions to do anything to the LIRR diesel fleet, and I don't even know of such cars are yet a certainty for MN. They may be, or may be not. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 13 12:06:51 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 13 08:34:02 2018. Redesigning the MLV cars is also messing with the crumple zone. I doubt anyone will go through the effort. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Jan 13 12:35:07 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 13 12:05:37 2018. As far as I know, MNRR sent out their DMs for a rebuild, so they'll be around for a while pulling something. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Jan 13 14:08:42 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 13 12:06:51 2018. Of course they would, but there is no reason such a builder would have to be Bombardier. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 13 14:38:40 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 13 12:05:37 2018. I searched the MTA website for relevant info and only found this as far as plans for the C3 in their Financial Plan:accelerating seat cushion repairs and replacing the obsolete communications control unit on the C3, restoring automated announcement capability. Doesn't sound like a rehab... |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 13 15:40:25 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by R30A on Fri Jan 12 23:26:53 2018. Poor planning! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 13 16:14:00 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 13 14:38:40 2018. They are not getting replaced. LIRR has never done mid-life rebuilds, except on old Pullman Standards. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 13 16:14:57 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by pragmatist on Sat Jan 13 12:35:07 2018. They can haul 7 Comet cars. If MN intended to buy MLV's, they would also have to get new locos because I doubt their P32's could handle 7 MLV cars. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 13 16:30:26 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 13 16:14:57 2018. The P32s aren't intended to run with MLVs, only the current stuff.Also, if they do get MLVs the consists would have to be limited to 6 cars - the Hudson line platforms are only 6 cars long. They currently fudge it by locking out the vestibule door adjacent to the engine. But the doors on MLVs are at the quarter points rather than end and center. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 13 16:42:38 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 13 15:40:25 2018. Nah... Same problem with all computers, and these cars are nothing put computers that run through subway tunnels carrying passengers.Every two or three years there is a whole new operating system, might run on the same hardware, but otherwise it is entirely different. Indeed, subway cars last 30-40 years, you cannot expect todays car to be backward compatible with old tech. You run new cars with new cars. The Arnine and SMEE technologies are long gone, Along with DOS 4.01 and Windows 3.0. ROAR |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 13 17:57:51 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 13 16:30:26 2018. Hudson Line stations are mostly 8-10 cars long. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Jan 13 18:16:12 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 13 16:14:57 2018. The Amtrak P32s hauled the complete LSL from NYP to Albany while the 4th track was being put in at Albany. 7 MLV is certainly within their capability. Not what they were intended for, but certainly do able. |
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Posted by Bzuck on Sat Jan 13 18:40:36 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 13 17:57:51 2018. Not the ones north of Croton Hartman. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 13 23:23:39 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Bzuck on Sat Jan 13 18:40:36 2018. Yup those were the ones I was talking about, where only diesel trains go. Most are 6 car, some 7 (and the one door weekend-only stops).The Croton-Harmon semi-expresses which are typically diesel sets could have 8 cars, I suppose. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 13 23:29:59 2018, in response to Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by pragmatist on Sat Jan 13 18:16:12 2018. For whatever reason MNRR says theirs struggle with more than 7 Shoreliners, I doubt they could handle MLVs without wrecking the schedule.As for how Amtrak does it, the LSL only has to make 3 intermediate stops with that single P32, and it still takes quite a while to get up to speed. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 14 18:03:53 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 13 16:42:38 2018. My MAC operating system is capable of updating to the next one whenever it comes out so the trains can be designed the same way. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jan 14 18:42:24 2018, in response to 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Jan 12 18:29:49 2018. I'm looking forward to when there's exactly 5 sets. Adios, R42! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 14 19:12:43 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jan 14 18:42:24 2018. More like R32's being sent to the A, which is what they did wit the first one. Full length C train seems to be a serious goal.Half the R42's are marooned on the Myrtle Avenue or another year |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 14 19:28:36 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 14 19:12:43 2018. Yup. The connection is completely gone. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jan 14 19:43:52 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Jan 14 18:42:24 2018. They only pushed out R32s so far... to the A line.The 42s will most likely stick around because the L train tube shutdown will need increased amount of cars, they won't be running in the Eastern div during the shutdown but they will be running somewhere. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jan 14 22:14:38 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 14 18:03:53 2018. PWNED |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 15 07:24:04 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jan 14 19:43:52 2018. My guess is that the R32's go back to the A & C, and to the extent they have surplus, send some R46's back to Jamaica for the R & F, and some R160's to CIY for higher shop margin. Must be very tight wit the W back. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 15 07:44:55 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 14 18:03:53 2018. Exactly! The whole philosophy behind SMEE, moreover, is that cars from different classes could be run together in a train. The ability to make service, because all your rolling stock is interchangeable, is something we've forgotten about with the tech trains. How difficult can it be to write software that can work with other classes of NTTs, and design electrical and braking equipment that works across the board? It used to be the standard of the day. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 15 10:43:20 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 15 07:44:55 2018. When CTA demanded the 7K's be compatible with the 5K's,, no one would bid. When the requirement was removed, they got the Chinese firm.Yes, the tail is wagging the dog. |
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Posted by Jace on Mon Jan 15 12:51:08 2018, in response to Re: 2 sets of R179 now in service (Re: Bombardier official announcement on the R-179 cars, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 15 10:43:20 2018. Not true. The overriding factor was that the cars absolutely had to be built in Illinois. The state and the city were playing all kinds of games to make this happen including figuring out ways to get around federal procurement laws that forbid local preference. The first choice would have been Nippon Sharyo since they've got a plant in Rochelle but they ended up pulling out and leaving Bombardier as the only bidder the first go round. Bombardier wanted to build in Plattsburgh as they did for the prior order but that was not at all acceptable to the state so they went back and revised the spec to open it up to more competitors. CRRC won on price but more importantly because they're playing by the rules and building the cars in Chicago. |
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