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The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Dec 31 16:12:25 2017 Confirmed "facts" seem to be very few so far. |
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Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 31 16:54:49 2017, in response to The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by Dave on Sun Dec 31 16:12:25 2017. OK, the training was probably done badly. A management failure.There still has to have been major distraction on the day of the accident. The engineer should have been saying, hey guys, where is that 30 mph curve? And there is no indication that he said, oh shit, there it is right ahead of us, let me hit the brakes as hard as I can. |
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Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 31 18:08:22 2017, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 31 16:54:49 2017. even if Management pushed the training, it is still engineers job to stay safe, if you do not feel qualified , why was he doing 81.5 in a 79 ?? if training was at night, how come he did not recognize reflective signs not only posted at the speed restriction but a prescribed distance before the speed restriction, if night training was done, the accident occured before day break ??? something is missing, and its not just lack of training. |
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Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 31 19:15:54 2017, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 31 16:54:49 2017. If he knew there was a 30MPH curve (a big IF), but had no clue where it was, then dilly-dally along at say 50MPH. Better to be scolded for losing 5 more minutes. Maybe with so many dignitaries on board and being a half hour late due to mechanical issues (Charger and the P42 had trouble communicating), he was trying to hide the fact he didn't know what he was doing. |
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Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Sun Dec 31 19:47:58 2017, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 31 18:08:22 2017. Hmm.One-time, fluke accidents do happen, but this was the first run of a new, publicized, high $$ route. Perhaps the whole organization has an attitude problem. Maybe "I don't feel qualified" would be taken as "he's calling us out on blowing off their training and also being a bunch of jerks, so find a reason to fire him before someone asks us to actually do our job". Hacks and cronies HATE doing real work, it's against their religion. |
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Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 31 20:13:58 2017, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 31 19:15:54 2017. the P42 is off line and needs no communication. and not many dignitaries were on onboard that first train did not even rate a Road foreman to ride it. |
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Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 1 14:00:52 2018, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 31 20:13:58 2017. "The Hill" opinion piece:TheHill |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 1 15:43:58 2018, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 31 18:08:22 2017. A big question that has stuck in my mind since the day of this accident is, who was doing PCR training for all of these crews? It seems apparent that even with several sets of eyes in that cab, none of them wwre sufficiently familiar with that section of the railroad to recognize the approaching sharp curve.I was also under the impression that PCR training couldn't be done at night, period. |
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Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jan 1 16:18:09 2018, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 1 14:00:52 2018. its an opinion piece , no official stuff, kind of like subchat. |
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Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jan 1 16:20:06 2018, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 1 15:43:58 2018. normally training is done day and night good weather or bad weather. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 1 16:20:44 2018, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jan 1 15:43:58 2018. That is part of the NTSB investigation. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jan 1 16:34:07 2018, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Jan 1 16:20:06 2018. normally training is done day and night good weather or bad weather.As it should be. I've heard that in Germany, getting an automobile driver's license requires several hours of on-the-road training after dark, in contrast to the US where it's usually done only in the daytime. It's no coincidence that German drivers have a reputation as the world's most skilled. My blog |
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Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Jan 2 09:02:36 2018, in response to The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by Dave on Sun Dec 31 16:12:25 2017. Interestingly, the route in question was marked with APSR and PSR signs which should have made things easier on less qualified crews. i wonder if it was foggy that morning. |
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Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 2 09:12:43 2018, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Jan 2 09:02:36 2018. Bigger question is did the engineer know there was a 30MPH kink in the mostly 79MPH ROW, even if not its exact location ? I suspect not. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 2 09:27:49 2018, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 2 09:12:43 2018. I suspect not.If so, that would be a massive deficiency in the training program. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 2 09:28:40 2018, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 2 09:27:49 2018. That's the whole point. I think there was. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Tue Jan 2 09:55:37 2018, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 2 09:28:40 2018. Did the engineer survive the crash? (yes I know this is somewhere in the published reports, I can't sift through them) |
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Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 2 10:25:40 2018, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by Steamdriven on Tue Jan 2 09:55:37 2018. Yes he did, with injuries. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Jan 2 15:04:25 2018, in response to Re: The more we learn about Amtrak derailment the stranger it gets, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 2 09:12:43 2018. Might be an issue if he only had training runs in the northbound direction? |
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