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Boston Crash
Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 29 16:28:57 2017 Mattapan-Ashmont
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Posted by BMRR* on Fri Dec 29 17:13:00 2017, in response to Boston Crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 29 16:28:57 2017.* Are those PCC cars?
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by northshore* on Fri Dec 29 17:16:14 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by BMRR on Fri Dec 29 17:13:00 2017.* yes
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob* on Fri Dec 29 17:17:37 2017, in response to Boston Crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 29 16:28:57 2017.* There goes another pair of PCC cars. What a loss.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Fri Dec 29 17:23:03 2017, in response to Boston Crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 29 16:28:57 2017.* Ouch :(. Hopefully the two can be repaired. Worse yet, they need offside doors, which greatly reduces the pool of secondhand replacement units they can get. A little far to ship, but Melbourne's older trams are a perfect match (single unarticulated unit, standard gauge, 600V catenary, doors on both sides at the front and center of the car).
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by TransitChuckG* on Fri Dec 29 17:28:55 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Fri Dec 29 17:17:37 2017.* I agree, maybe they can fix them? The odds are, probably not.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Bzuck* on Fri Dec 29 17:41:48 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 29 17:28:55 2017.* Not good!
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Dave* on Fri Dec 29 17:49:59 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 29 17:28:55 2017.* I'm sure the MBTA has spare parts and doors from all the PCC's they used to run.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Stephen Bauman* on Fri Dec 29 17:58:45 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 29 17:23:03 2017.* Melbourne's older trams are a perfect match Weight's the problem. Otherwise, the PCC's would have been replaced by 7's long ago.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Fri Dec 29 18:23:36 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Dave on Fri Dec 29 17:49:59 2017.* If they don't Brookville probably does.
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Fri Dec 29 18:40:24 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 29 17:58:45 2017.* Hmm... close. According to Wikipedia, the heaviest PCC is 42,000 lbs while the "A Class" trams are 49,000 lbs (had to convert "long tons").
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by r17-6599* on Fri Dec 29 21:19:56 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 29 17:28:55 2017.* MBTA is looking to shut the line down & replace with buses. Not sure of t he status of that, as there was public outcry. Doubt they'll fix 'em at any rate.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by r17-6599* on Fri Dec 29 21:22:41 2017, in response to Boston Crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 29 16:28:57 2017.* Geeze. Shame on WBZ-TV. The Mattapan Ashmont line is NOT the Orange line as captioned in their foto in the article. The Orange Line is a heavy rail subway line.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Dave* on Fri Dec 29 21:28:36 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Dec 29 21:22:41 2017.* It's part of the Green line.
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Posted by r17-6599* on Fri Dec 29 22:23:18 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Dave on Fri Dec 29 21:28:36 2017.* Was always an extension of the Red line actually, but not the Orange. Would think WBZ would have that right.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sat Dec 30 05:33:59 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Dec 29 21:19:56 2017.* Not sure of t he status of that, as there was public outcry. Doubt they'll fix 'em at any rate. Did anyone get the number of that bashed in PCC ? I was in Boston this past summer and rode that line. I may or may not have a pic of that PCC. Bill Newkirk
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by TransitChuckG* on Sat Dec 30 07:05:03 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Dec 29 18:23:36 2017.* I agree,Jackson Park B Train.Brookville has a lot of "this" and "that"out there, and the skills to do the fixing.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Dave* on Sat Dec 30 07:17:27 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Dec 29 22:23:18 2017.* See what happens when you're red-green colorblind? LOL!
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by TransitChuckG* on Sat Dec 30 07:38:30 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Dave on Sat Dec 30 07:17:27 2017.* Boston map
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Bill D* on Sat Dec 30 09:42:01 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 30 05:33:59 2017.* According to NE Transit page 3260 and 3262 were the PCC's involved in the crash. At this time there are only 5 active PCC's, not a good sign. Bill D
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Sat Dec 30 10:05:47 2017, in response to Boston Crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 29 16:28:57 2017.* Wow! My favorite Boston transit line.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Dec 30 10:51:38 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Fri Dec 29 17:17:37 2017.* I was thinking of a couple of retired non-articulated CLRV's out of TTC. Of course, they would have to be re-gauged. .
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sat Dec 30 10:57:16 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Dave on Fri Dec 29 21:28:36 2017.* Part opf the Green Line.... That is why they are painted ORANGE! I see two units nuts to butts on the far track but there is a damaged unit on the near track. vos is los? ROAR
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Sat Dec 30 14:21:34 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Bill D on Sat Dec 30 09:42:01 2017.* Upgrade the line (doesn't it just need some bridge replacement?) and send three Type 8s over there (type 7s are not handicap accessible). The Mattapan fleet was supposed to be 10 PCCs, they are down to half.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sat Dec 30 15:01:08 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 30 14:21:34 2017.* The PCCs aren't ADA compliant either. High platforms and a few of the Blue cars which have pans would do the trick.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by randyo* on Sat Dec 30 21:44:59 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 30 10:57:16 2017.* The only reason that those PCCs are painted orange is that someone at the MBTA wanted them restored to their original Boston El appearance.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Dec 31 06:17:23 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Bill D on Sat Dec 30 09:42:01 2017.* Here's #3260 this past summer. This car was rear ended ? What's the story on #3265 ? And #3234 ?
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Joe V* on Sun Dec 31 11:45:58 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Dec 31 06:17:23 2017.* Do they use the left side doors on this line ?
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Posted by Bill D* on Sun Dec 31 12:04:14 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 31 11:45:58 2017.* Yes, at Bulter Station.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Bill D* on Sun Dec 31 12:15:53 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Dec 31 06:17:23 2017.* 3265 and 3234 have been deadlined at Mattapan for several years. Comparing your pictures to ones I took back in 2013, it appears their primary purpose is a parts source to keep the rest of the fleet in operation. Doors seem to be an especially hot commodity!
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Joe V* on Sun Dec 31 13:13:17 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Bill D on Sun Dec 31 12:04:14 2017.* Then any foreign rode PCC's lacking such doors won't work there.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Avid Reader* on Sun Dec 31 13:45:21 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 29 17:23:03 2017.*
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Avid Reader* on Sun Dec 31 13:45:22 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 29 17:23:03 2017.*
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Avid Reader* on Sun Dec 31 13:47:43 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 29 17:58:45 2017.* If the Toronto Cars are available, after re gauging, they would be a better option if service is to be continued.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Avid Reader* on Sun Dec 31 13:51:01 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Dave on Sat Dec 30 07:17:27 2017.* Maybe the Liberal News took liberties when seeing the color was orange, so it MUST be the orange line.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Dec 31 15:29:26 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Bill D on Sun Dec 31 12:15:53 2017.* Thank you. Why were these cars sidelined ? I see no fire or collision damage. Bill Newkirk
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by TransitChuckG* on Sun Dec 31 16:18:15 2017, in response to Boston Crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 29 16:28:57 2017.* Operator error
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Posted by Bill D* on Sun Dec 31 19:12:24 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Dec 31 15:29:26 2017.* They are listed at the NE Transit page as being out of service, awaiting parts. Maybe the current situation will force MBTA to put these cars back together, using parts from the cars involved in the collision if necessary.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Dec 31 19:26:44 2017, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 31 16:18:15 2017.* Mattapan-Ashmont thread at railroad.net. Bill Newkirk
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Mon Jan 1 00:33:35 2018, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 31 13:13:17 2017.* Thus my Melbourne idea...
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Mon Jan 1 00:41:43 2018, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 31 13:13:17 2017.* All the more reason to raise the platforms and bring over pan equipped Blue Line cars--IIRC they are scheduled to get new cars so a few more as an add on should be doable. Cost of raising platforms should be recouped in have one less class of spares to stock and inventory. And the line becomes ADA compliant.
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Mon Jan 1 00:54:28 2018, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 1 00:41:43 2018.* The blue line had all their cars replaced a few years ago. The ones on the docket for replacement now are orange and red. The green line on the other hand is getting new "type 9" cars for the service expansion, this is an excellent time to get a few extra for the Mattapan line.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Mon Jan 1 01:23:01 2018, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jan 1 00:54:28 2018.* IINM the Blue and Orange are dimensionally the same merely 3rd railor catenary. As to "Type 9" will these be RORO at low platforms? When you sayservice expansion, is this the fabled Lechmere into omerville oute now due in 202x and at astronomical cost overruns? I have friends who live near where it might go (depending on how much "value engineering" the kleptocrats force. The issue is whether they or I willbe mobile enough to use it when it opens. (I'll be cloe to 80...)
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Mon Jan 1 06:26:07 2018, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 1 01:23:01 2018.* Blue line cars are shorter (52 feet? vs 60 feet) than orange line ones. The Type 9 will be built by CAF and delivered by the end of this year, apparently. The interior looks very similar to a type 8, if this presentation is believed.
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Re: Boston Crash
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Mon Jan 1 07:57:26 2018, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Bill D on Sun Dec 31 19:12:24 2017.* Pahts cahrs.:)
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Jan 1 08:05:40 2018, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Dec 31 13:47:43 2017.* Yeh, welI I have since learned they need a left sided door for one of the stations.
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Jan 1 10:06:52 2018, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 1 00:41:43 2018.* Or rebuild that one left-sided station to be twin right side platforms, then run any trolley there they can get their hands on.
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Posted by subfan* on Mon Jan 1 17:11:29 2018, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jan 1 06:26:07 2018.* The problem with Green Line cars is that they're too heavy for one of the bridges on the Ashmont-Mattapan line - that's why they still use the PCCs there in the first place. subfan
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Mon Jan 1 17:14:41 2018, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by subfan on Mon Jan 1 17:11:29 2018.* If so, something which needs to get fixed. Much as I love PCCs, there will come a day when they are beyond the "100 year old horse drawn shay". and the inadequate bridge has out run its sell by date for steel.
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Mon Jan 1 17:42:36 2018, in response to Re: Boston Crash, posted by subfan on Mon Jan 1 17:11:29 2018.* Considering the LIRR put in a new 3 trackway bridge capable of handling 85' FRA EMUs for $10 million, it's time for MBTA to break out the checkbook.
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