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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 17:20:52 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Dec 18 15:59:12 2017. Whether it is to be ASCES or PTC, none of it is active in the PNW. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 17:21:57 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Dec 18 17:08:36 2017. The speed limit signs say T-30 and P-30.That means 30 for Talgo and 30 for standard passenger trains. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 17:22:26 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 18 16:04:35 2017. Not supposed to be activated until some time in 2018. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 17:32:04 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Dec 18 17:15:30 2017. Yes. They ran a test train one night last month. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Dec 18 17:43:38 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 15:43:30 2017. The train was reported to be traveling at 81.1 mph in a 79 mph zone. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Dec 18 17:59:15 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 18 17:43:38 2017. The train was reported to be traveling at 81.1 mph in a 79 mph zone.That by itself shouldn't have mattered. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 18 17:59:40 2017, in response to Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Dec 18 11:24:38 2017. Someone posted this in another group.The first southbound AMTRAK Cascades train #501, which left Seattle at 06:00, to use the new Definite Point by-pass track, that parallels I-5 past Fort Lewis, de-railed at 81mph at a 30mph zone curve, according to Associated Press. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Dec 18 18:19:50 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Dec 18 17:59:15 2017. IAWTP. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 18 18:27:58 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 18 17:59:40 2017. Definate Point by-pass.... |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 18:49:07 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 18 17:43:38 2017. But that was a 30MPH curve. for both Talgo and conventional passenger trains. |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Mon Dec 18 18:50:45 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Dec 18 17:59:15 2017. Other reports say it was a 30 MPH curve, coming off of a long 79 MPH tangent, which, of course, would have mattered. Looks like there’s still some clarification of the true circumstances needed.Alan a Follett Hercules, CA. |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Mon Dec 18 18:52:24 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 18 18:27:58 2017. Point Defiance.Alan Follett Hercules, CA |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 18 19:20:10 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 13:46:42 2017. it sure questions the car and its survivability which has been questioned by many. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Dec 18 19:28:18 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Mon Dec 18 13:11:36 2017. Thanks for posting the links. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Dec 18 19:30:43 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 18 19:20:10 2017. it sure questions the car and its survivability which has been questioned by many.Possibly a banning of using Talgo equipment ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 19:39:41 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Cascades 501 Derailment in Washington, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 13:31:13 2017. New Siemens Charger engine at frontFrom the looks of it, first Charger to be retired (like the first P40 to be retired from the Sunset Ltd wreck, in service only 19 days). |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Dec 18 19:40:46 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 18 13:12:25 2017. Of course they did. Why would you think otherwise? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 19:46:00 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 18 19:20:10 2017. Whatever those M8s are made of, use that as the standard. New cars, high speed derailment + collision with everyone on both trains walking away. *That*'s how to build 'em! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 19:50:40 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Mon Dec 18 13:40:58 2017. An Amfleet would. I think a Superliner would too (even if the cars themselves rarely survive tipping over on level ground).Lightweight Euro-Asian style rolling stock requires Euro-Asian style discipline and safety features. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 19:52:05 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Dec 18 17:11:55 2017. It is supposed to be a corridor route. An idea though - keep the Coast Starlight on the old route, and the Cascades on the new one. If the CS is late, they can take the new route to recover time, but otherwise people have a chance at getting the view. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 19:53:42 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 18 19:20:10 2017. The cars did not telescope or get crushed. 6 die out of 85 aboard when taking an 30 MPH curve at 81 MPH. I'd say they held up pretty good. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 20:08:52 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 19:52:05 2017. They just sold the former Tacoma station to BNSF. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 18 20:13:35 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 19:53:42 2017. I will cast my judgement after the investigations , but my feeling is Talgo is done in the USA. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 18 20:17:41 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 18 17:59:40 2017. Who owns what |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 18 20:19:03 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Alan Follett on Mon Dec 18 18:50:45 2017. This doesn't look like a 30 mph curve to me.Maybe I have the wrong place, but this is what I saw identified in the news. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Dec 18 20:22:17 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 19:53:42 2017. Did it enter the curve at 80 mph? The latest news story I read said MAS was 79 mph at the location where the train derailed. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 18 20:24:01 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 19:53:42 2017. Do you really have evidence of a 30 mph curve? See the airplane view in my other post. it just doesn't look like one. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 18 20:26:36 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 18 20:19:03 2017. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214764586526922&set=p.10214764586526922&type=3&theater&ifg=1 |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 18 20:27:08 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 18 20:24:01 2017. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214764586526922&set=p.10214764586526922&type=3&theater&ifg=1 |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 18 20:27:08 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 18 20:24:01 2017. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214764586526922&set=p.10214764586526922&type=3&theater&ifg=1 |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Dec 18 20:29:49 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Cascades 501 Derailment in Washington, posted by The Silence on Mon Dec 18 11:43:38 2017. 1st day of operation? Wow - sort of like the maiden voyage of the Titanic - people died on that too. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 18 20:36:10 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Cascades 501 Derailment in Washington, posted by Allan on Mon Dec 18 20:29:49 2017. first day of operation on that bypass also first day of solo operation of engineer on charger ?? could get interesting on pushing blame |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Dec 18 20:38:38 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Dec 18 14:55:12 2017. There's a Millennial out there who can't detect the sarcasm here, and also a thousand more like her.Maybe one was driving? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 20:42:15 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Cascades 501 Derailment in Washington, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 18 20:36:10 2017. I don't think it was operator error or even related to the speed reduction. On another forum, this was posted:The lead engine hit a big tree about 10 to 15 feet off the ground and broke off a fork of the tree. Second: a signal tower was destroyed several hundred feet before the curve, suggesting it derailed before it even got to the curve (possibly while decelerating for the curve?). |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 18 20:43:49 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 18 13:12:25 2017. There was also a train with dignitaries on Friday according to a report I heard on TV. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 18 20:53:45 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Cascades 501 Derailment in Washington, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 20:42:15 2017. My most hated newspaper, the NY Post reported earlier that the train may have hit something.It would be "funny" if the culprit was a tree. Right away everybody in the media blames the engineer for speeding and Amtrak (really Sound Transit) for not having PTC up and running. Same derailment philosophy at NYCT. Derailment = train operator was speeding. Guilty till proven innocent. Then when they find a broken rail or bad wheel there is no apology to the train operator! |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 18 20:55:39 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Cascades 501 Derailment in Washington, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 18 20:53:45 2017. http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/12/18/washington-amtrak-derailment-aerials-wolf.cnn/video/playlists/washington-passenger-train-derailment/ |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 21:09:24 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Cascades 501 Derailment in Washington, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 18 20:53:45 2017. If trees were allowed to be closer to the ROW than WSDOT would have liked to appease the local NIMBYs, that would be an interesting place to throw blame. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 18 21:10:47 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Cascades 501 Derailment in Washington, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 21:09:24 2017. WSDOT can't cut tree's not on their property. but from pictures I doubt a tree was to blame. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 21:23:48 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Cascades 501 Derailment in Washington, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 18 21:10:47 2017. True. But it's a lot easier for everyone involved if "act of god" was to blame rather than human error. Short of mounting military grade laser weapons to the front of trains (which would be awesome for those SUV grade crossing incidients) there's no way to avoid hitting a tree leaning 15' above the track... |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Dec 18 21:59:02 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 18 20:19:03 2017. It is slightly off the screen towards the northeast, labeled with an orange dot. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Dec 18 22:29:20 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Cascades 501 Derailment in Washington, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 20:42:15 2017. I was on trains that hit trees two times in my life, once a Lake Shore Limited that hit a tree that caused the train to be delayed for hours but didn't derail, the other was a N train on Sea Beach, tree got stuck under the train and it couldn't move, didn't derail. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 18 23:57:22 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by R30A on Mon Dec 18 21:59:02 2017. Ah thanks, that's actually a real curve. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Dec 19 02:48:21 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 18 23:57:22 2017. Big Time!! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Dec 19 05:50:36 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 18 17:59:40 2017. Speed did it |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Dec 19 05:57:38 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Dec 19 05:50:36 2017. So it was not the "Crappy" Talgo sets, or bad rail.This looks like another Frankford Junction accident in some ways.:( |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Tue Dec 19 09:30:14 2017, in response to Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Bob Andersen on Mon Dec 18 11:24:38 2017. Two very well known bus and train fans, Zack Willhoite "Bus Dude" and Jim Hamre, are among the two casualties. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 19 09:50:17 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by GojiMet86 on Tue Dec 19 09:30:14 2017. Yikes. Didn't think about the fact that a first run would especially attract rail fans. :( |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Dec 19 09:50:35 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Dec 19 05:57:38 2017. Is the engineer train #501 still alive? If he is, has he been arrested for speeding? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Dec 19 09:51:46 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by GojiMet86 on Tue Dec 19 09:30:14 2017. That's horrible...... |
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