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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 14 16:14:02 2017 The northern terminal of the A train is in Inwood. A few blocks away from the southern terminal is Inwood. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 14 16:19:27 2017, in response to Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 14 16:14:02 2017. Maybe a mile and a half or two |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 14 18:59:19 2017, in response to Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 14 16:14:02 2017. When the LIRR Far Rock station got shoved north, and closer to Inwood in the 1950's, they tried very hard to shut Inwood down. They did stuff like have alternate off peak trains skip it through the 1960's. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Oct 14 19:06:30 2017, in response to Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 14 16:14:02 2017. I still get confused sometimes when I see an MTA notice about an "Inwood bound" A train, thinking it's heading towards Far Rockaway. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 14 19:47:40 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by VictorM on Sat Oct 14 19:06:30 2017. They really should drop the practice of referring to trains by the neighborhood of the last stop, even if its in another borough. People along the Sea Beach line don't care if their N trains are "Astoria-bound", nor those on the West End line if their D trains are "Norwood-bound", etc. Trains heading toward Manhattan should be called Manhattan-bound. Those that have already left Manhattan can be referred to by the destinations. Within Manhattan, give the borough the train is headed to, or just say uptown or downtown like they used to. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 14 20:14:39 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 14 19:47:40 2017. That's true. Most people are headed to Manhattan, not the opposite suburb. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Oct 14 20:49:01 2017, in response to Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 14 16:14:02 2017. Actually, one or the other Inwood should change its name, and it would probably be a win for either one or both of them. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 14 20:54:46 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Oct 14 20:49:01 2017. Neither is a government entity. Who is there to make a name change ? One is a NYC neighborhood name, the other is merely a hamlet in the Town of Hempstead. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sat Oct 14 20:59:21 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 14 18:59:19 2017. Interesting. Do you know of any articles that mention this? |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Oct 14 21:04:14 2017, in response to Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 14 16:14:02 2017. and I lived on inwood st.south Jamaica. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Oct 14 21:12:57 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 14 16:19:27 2017. Actually, less than a mile up either Central Avenue or Beach Channel Drive. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Oct 14 21:49:48 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 14 20:54:46 2017. Inwood in Nassau County does have its own zip code. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 14 21:54:59 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 14 19:47:40 2017. I thought that's what they did; refer to the next adjacent borough, until the final borough, then use the neighborhood name. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 14 21:58:14 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Oct 14 21:12:57 2017. To that country club its more than a mile. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 14 21:59:18 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 14 19:47:40 2017. This from "Dyre Dan"? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 14 22:02:03 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 14 16:19:27 2017. In all fairness it's a nice observation. I'm not about to split hairs. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Oct 14 22:06:57 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Oct 14 21:04:14 2017. Steve, I always thought you lived near Creedmoor! lol |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Oct 15 00:15:15 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 14 21:54:59 2017. On the NTT announcements, it is, but on the service-change notices, it usually isn't. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 15 01:09:20 2017, in response to Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 14 16:14:02 2017. The region in Queens adjacent to Nassau used to be served by the LIRR only. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Oct 15 03:59:28 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Oct 14 21:49:48 2017. Which until about a decade ago was part of the Far Rockaway district zip code. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Sun Oct 15 06:49:56 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 14 19:47:40 2017. Although I'm out of NYC now, I used to take the 2 train and while in Manhattan the automated announcement was, "This is a Brooklyn bound 2 train...." Once in Brooklyn it became "this is a Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College bound 2 train." |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 15 07:37:06 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Union Tpke on Sat Oct 14 20:59:21 2017. I have timetables and neighborhood rumors, as all my relatives are from there. LIRR would never have spilled their cookies and put that in writing. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 15 07:39:09 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Oct 14 21:49:48 2017. It means they have a Post Office. Says nothing about having a local government. Even when there is an incorporated village, their boundaries and postal boundaries often do not coincide. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Oct 15 08:57:18 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Oct 14 22:06:57 2017. summer vacations in creedmoor. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Oct 15 15:04:04 2017, in response to Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 14 16:14:02 2017. I've always liked the idea that, since Secaucus opened, you can buy a ticket for a Middletown/Middletown trip. Yes, Middletown, N.Y> to Middletown, N.J. Has to extremely rare, if not unique! If I ever have to do it, I'm buying a hard copy ticket, for sure! |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 15 16:48:17 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 14 19:47:40 2017. The problem with using the term “Manhattan bound” is that almost all subway lines are Manhattan bound in both directions. What complicates it more is that the M line is Queens bound in both directions so in that case either the neighborhood or the actual destination has to be mentioned. There are similar situations regarding Queens in Manhattan stations S/O 59 St where both N/B and S/B trains area also Queens bound so neighborhoods and/or actual destinations are critical. If a person at W4 St for example wants to go to Queens, he/she needs to be relatively specific since both S/B A and M trains go to one part of Queens, and N/B E, F and M trains go to a different part of Queens. As for the overuse of various neighborhood names, I do agree that except for Queens which has a tradition of using individual neighborhood names, it’s really unnecessary to use little known names like “Norwood” or “Wakefield” in descriptions. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Oct 15 16:57:07 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 15 16:48:17 2017. No line is Manhattan bound in both directions in any particular location. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 15 17:32:45 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Oct 15 15:04:04 2017. Wonder how NJT abbreviates the spelling of each on their tickets ? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 15 19:13:31 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Oct 15 15:04:04 2017. If the Bergen Shore Express hadn't had Suffern as its northern terminus, it might have been possible to have a one-seat ride between the two places. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Oct 15 20:55:48 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Oct 15 15:04:04 2017. Too bad rail service to Middletown, CT was abandoned; otherwise, we could perhaps get that into this trip as well. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Oct 15 23:33:51 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Oct 15 20:55:48 2017. The New Haven's Air Line passed through there, didn't it? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 16 00:18:27 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by R30A on Sun Oct 15 16:57:07 2017. They are not “Manhattan bound” in both directions in Manhattan itself. However trains originating in the outer boroughs are Manhattan bound while they are in those boroughs regardless of which direction they may be traveling in. Also, As I mentioned, the M line is Queens bound in both directions while it is in Manhattan as the E once was when it went to the Rockaways, so travel info has to be either neighborhood or terminal specific. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 16 00:39:33 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 15 16:48:17 2017. Although, living in Riverdale, I've noticed that people are using names like Wakefield and Norwood more, perhaps because they're on the subway destinations. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 16 03:03:56 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 15 16:48:17 2017. That is not true when it comes to the A Train. "Manhattan-bound A" is unambiguous. As for trains that run through Manhattan like the D, F, or 4, borough destinations still work: Bronx-bound, Queens-bound and Brooklyn-bound are unambiguous directions. Even within the destination borough it makes sense, and most people are familiar enough with the city's general geography that even if they don't know where the D ends up, they know that in Brooklyn, Bronx-bound is also Manhattan-bound.Of course, this doesn't work for the M. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 16 07:11:35 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by VictorM on Sat Oct 14 19:06:30 2017. Me too, LOL!!! (seriously- it's happened to me) |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Oct 16 16:22:29 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 15 17:32:45 2017. I Think they have the Middletown, NY tickets read somethng like MIDL NYIt might look like this: MIDL NY Suf sec MIDL NJ Always curious about the Suf/Sec you see on the NY tickets.. Its been a while since I got a hard copy ticket...and the E-tickets disappear after they expire |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Oct 16 17:49:02 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by R30A on Sun Oct 15 16:57:07 2017. From a previous message:No line is Manhattan bound in both directions in any particular location. ---- In fact the - Times Square - Grand Central Shuttle, and the old South Ferry Shuttle can be described in both directions to be "Manhattan bound." What would you call the #1 trains that ran from 137th Street-City College to/from South Ferry? Or the very, very old #3 trains westside local trains that ran from 145th Street to South Ferry? Or the "old" AA - Eighth Avenue local trains, or one "old version" of the CC local train from 168th Street to World Trade Center? Point made, now I rest. Mike |
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Posted by B1bus on Mon Oct 16 18:46:07 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Michael549 on Mon Oct 16 17:49:02 2017. You would use the destination of the train in that case. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Oct 16 23:59:40 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by B1bus on Mon Oct 16 18:46:07 2017. There is a serious discussion about how to label trains, station signage, way-making signage, and the giving of directions.For example - "downtown" is often generally referred to the section of Manhattan from about 59th Street to South Ferry, from the Hudson River to the East River. While some would or might call the the area - say between 14th Street and 59th Street - "midtown", while calling the area south of 14th Street "downtown". And similarly many would generally call the area of Manhattan from say 96th Street to Marble Hill, "uptown." Thus plenty could easily say that they are heading to "downtown", "midtown" or "uptown". If Manhattan is thought to the central destination of plenty of people, as well as the peak destination of many of the subway trains. There are plenty of folks who do not work in the core of Manhattan who would need attentive transit service. However - there's a problem. "Downtown" Brooklyn is generally in the northern western section of Brooklyn. Queens has a number of commercial districts, besides "downtown Queens" the area about Queens Plaza and Long Island City. Downtown Staten Island is generally considered to be in the northern eastern section of the island nearest the Staten Island Ferry. So to say that a train is "traveling downtown" or "uptown" really very much depends upon the direction of travel that one believes to be "normal." Growing up in the Bronx, the idea that the trains are traveling "downtown" meant that the trains were traveling in a southern direction - that was normal. However living in Brooklyn - using the A-train, taking the train "downtown" would mean traveling in a southern direction as well as traveling in a northern direction to get to "downtown!" So there's the usual issues of "north", "south", "east" and "west". Now if you're a transit or railroad fan there's also the issues of "railroad north", "railroad south", "railroad east" and "railroad west" -- all to make matters confusing. On top of all of this there is the issue of labels on subway maps and other printed materials, and the giving out of directions. The "how of providing meaningful information" to folks who live in an area, and folks who are not familiar with an area. Just think about the various approaches there are to making a "simple subway map" for a huge city of 8.5 million people. There is a "want" to make simple easy to follow "rules" and there is the real world that refuses to make things "easy". Mike |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 17 15:49:12 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Michael549 on Mon Oct 16 17:49:02 2017. Trains in the Bronx and Queens are Manhattan bound going south in those boroughs and trains in Brooklyn are Manhattan bound going north while in Bkln. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 17 16:03:05 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Michael549 on Mon Oct 16 17:49:02 2017. No. Logically, there is no way a line that originates and terminates in Manhattan and lies solely within Manhattan can fairly be described as Manhattan-bound. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Tue Oct 17 18:38:34 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 17 15:49:12 2017. OK, then the 'G" (which doesn't remotely touch Manhattan) has to be Queens bound when going north from Brooklyn, right? |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Tue Oct 17 22:12:11 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Michael549 on Mon Oct 16 23:59:40 2017. Case in point: At 53rd Street the sign on the left directs passengers to trains headed toward Downtown Brooklyn. On the other hand, in the MTA's SubwayTime app it has the opposite meaning. Throughout it, "downtown" is used as a synonym for southbound.  |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 18 01:21:26 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Tue Oct 17 18:38:34 2017. Correct. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Oct 18 03:28:23 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Tue Oct 17 22:12:11 2017. The G-train goes to both "downtown Brooklyn" and "downtown Queens" but in opposite directions.Mike |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Oct 18 13:06:59 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Tue Oct 17 22:12:11 2017. I would interpret that sign to mean downtown Manhattan, not downtown Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Oct 18 13:31:56 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by italianstallion on Wed Oct 18 13:06:59 2017. I don't agree. The sign pointing to the 95th Street-bound platform reads "UPTOWN TRAINS". |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 18 15:00:22 2017, in response to Re: Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Oct 18 13:31:56 2017. Correct. Don’t forget that stations on the 4 Av subway were built during the BRT era When the company was Brooklyn centric so “Downtown” would have meant downtown Bkln. If yo notice, the BMT roll signs that indicated Manhattan destinations always had the name “Manhattan” included in the readings like “57 St Manhattan” or "8 Ave Manhattan” where as the Bkln destinations merely had the station name like “Ninth Avenue” or “36 Street” without the name Bkln included in the reading. |
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Posted by B1bus on Wed Oct 18 17:54:24 2017, in response to Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 14 16:14:02 2017. There are multiple stations on the M line that include the street "Broadway" in one form or another. |
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Posted by B1bus on Wed Oct 25 15:41:06 2017, in response to Uninteresting Fact: A train, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 14 16:14:02 2017. Both B3 and B8 buses stop at 86st, 85st, and 84st. |
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