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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017  57th St & 6th Ave station Sept. 1978  Howard Beach station Sept. 1978  Approaching Rockaway Blvd. station June 1979  Approaching Liberty Jct. Sept. 1979  |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Oct 13 20:27:14 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. Very nice, thanks! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Oct 13 20:28:02 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. nice photos |
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Posted by Allan on Fri Oct 13 20:49:49 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. Great photos |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Oct 13 20:58:48 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. I would pay a premium price to ride that to JFK. But a banged up 38?Thanks for sharing these. |
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Posted by gbs on Fri Oct 13 20:59:21 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. How far beyond 57 St did the tracks go in 1978? Could they have stored a 10-car train there? Was there a bumper block at the end? How did the trains get beyond the trip on that permanently-red signal? Do those signals have a key-by feature? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Oct 13 21:24:47 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. Nice pictures! |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Oct 13 21:47:06 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. Really great stuff!!! |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Oct 13 22:27:39 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. Awesome! I remember those days well. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Oct 14 08:41:38 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Oct 13 20:28:02 2017. Thank you.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Oct 14 08:55:22 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by gbs on Fri Oct 13 20:59:21 2017. 
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Posted by Dan on Sat Oct 14 09:32:39 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. Nice photos. The 'JFK express' would often delay my 'F' train in the AM and PM. Peripheral question - Was there ever a track connection from the LIRR to the 'A' line after the TA took over? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Oct 14 10:11:05 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. Wonnaful, wonnaful, wonnaful, wonnaful. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 14 11:55:26 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. Memories! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 14:26:11 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Oct 13 20:58:48 2017. Only went to Howard Beach.For the price, it ought to have been LIRR M3s running out of NYP and along a restored Rockaway Line, going underground south of Belmont Park to a subterranean station at the International Arrivals Building at least or at each terminal at best. (And any "Airtrain" should have been underground too, using B Division subway cars to shuttle between terminals and parking lots.) |
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Posted by chud1 on Sat Oct 14 14:26:52 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars.chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 14:26:53 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Oct 13 20:58:48 2017. Only went to Howard Beach.For the price, it ought to have been LIRR M3s running out of NYP and along a restored Rockaway Line, going underground south of (Corrected) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 14:27:50 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 14:26:11 2017. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 14 14:30:30 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 14:26:53 2017. Not enough room in NYP. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Oct 14 15:43:46 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 14 14:27:50 2017. I knew what you meant |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Oct 14 19:14:39 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Oct 14 08:55:22 2017. Notice the stalactites hanging from the ceiling! This must have been abandoned shortly after the line to 57th St was opened in 1968. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Oct 14 19:20:56 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by VictorM on Sat Oct 14 19:14:39 2017. This must have been abandoned shortly after the line to 57th St was opened in 1968.For the tunnel to be abandoned, it would have to have been used first. This is the tunnel north of 57th St. where the JFK Expresses would lay up. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Oct 14 19:51:26 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. Oh man...that's too bad it's gone.Thank You for sharing. |
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Posted by W.B. on Sun Oct 15 08:21:19 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Oct 14 08:55:22 2017. Evidently this was before the 63rd Street extension was put into use . . . |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 15 09:38:39 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by W.B. on Sun Oct 15 08:21:19 2017. Evidently this was before the 63rd Street extension was put into use . . .Precisely ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 15 16:56:20 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Oct 14 19:20:56 2017. I’m not sure of the exact chronology, but the tunnels N/O 57/6 were not even started till several years after the station opened. Until then, the subway infrastructure ended in a wall at the N/E of the station. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 15 18:10:13 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 15 16:56:20 2017. I’m not sure of the exact chronology, but the tunnels N/O 57/6 were not even started till several years after the station opened. Until then, the subway infrastructure ended in a wall at the N/E of the station.I remember that wooden wall, though I have no images of it. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Oct 15 18:10:53 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Oct 14 19:20:56 2017. By "abandoned" I mean built but never used or maintained. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 15 19:10:24 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by VictorM on Sun Oct 15 18:10:53 2017. OkayBill Newkirk |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Oct 15 20:37:19 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 15 16:56:20 2017. I've seen pictures from the early 70s showing the tracks ending at bumper blocks at the north end, but the tunnel continuing north. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 16 00:19:46 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 15 18:10:13 2017. The wooden wall was only put up after construction to 63 St was started. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 16 00:32:25 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Oct 15 20:37:19 2017. Well, eventually construction was started on the extension to 63 St but when I was a M/M in 1969 and 1970 and the first year I was a T/D in 1970, the tunnels ended at the N/E of the station. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 16 07:02:59 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 16 00:19:46 2017. So I guess early-phase construction of the 63 St. Tunnel was clearly visible from 57/6.. What about 57/7?Also- what about the Archer Extension from Briarwood? I know that used an existing provision. Actually, so did the connection north from 57/7, but that stub was very short- sort of like the "express" tracks at the upper level of Canal St., right? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 16 07:04:36 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 16 00:19:46 2017. I have an archived NY Times article (unfortunately, not on this PC) indicating that the tunnels north of both 57th Street Stations were usable for layups by 1981. I guess in the case of 6th Ave, it was even sooner. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 16 07:07:41 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Dan on Sat Oct 14 09:32:39 2017. I think Randyo said there was- but that it was kept barricaded most of the time. Gone by the early 1960s. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Mon Oct 16 07:26:36 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 16 07:02:59 2017. The Archer Ave extension used the ramps east of Van Wyck Blvd station that looked like they had been there forever (they were there since at least the 60s). Never did see anything down the ramps that looked like a wall. And no, I didn't do something stupid like going by foot down to track level to check them out (trespassing). |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 16 15:41:26 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Mon Oct 16 07:26:36 2017. The ramps east of Van Wyck were there from the construction of the subway in the 1930s. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 16 15:43:33 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 16 07:04:36 2017. The stub tracks N/O 57/7 were there probably from the construction of the Bway Subway. In 1969, I had a run that called for me to put in a Sea Beach train that was laid up N/O the station. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Mon Oct 16 15:45:09 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 16 15:41:26 2017. And it took until the 1980s for them to be put to use. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 16 15:47:54 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 16 07:07:41 2017. Actually, it wasn’t kept barricaded at all, but i never saw it used during the time it was there. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 16 16:40:47 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Mon Oct 16 15:45:09 2017. Some parts of what are often referred to as the IND “Second System” were built around the same time and have never been put to use and probably never will. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Mon Oct 16 16:58:29 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. Thanks brah! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Oct 16 16:59:51 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 16 15:43:33 2017. weren't these supposed to be for a planned line, BMT to upper west side Manhattan, and as you said, a provisional structure built at the time of the original Bway subway?David Rogoff discussed this stub in two places: an old ERA NY Bulletin, on abandoned parts of the BMT, and in the booklet for an October 1967(?) fantrip on the Standards, 2390-91-92 |
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Posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Tue Oct 17 03:25:11 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 13 20:02:43 2017. NYCTA need to use the Train to the Plane bullet In brown with J, Z and blue with A, E trips that go to Howard Beach or Jamaica, either alternating bullets on end sign/side sign and/or showing both on front panel of R211 |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Oct 17 08:11:50 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Express Rider on Mon Oct 16 16:59:51 2017. Yes, there is the spur that heads to Queens going down 60th St. and then the four tracks were supposed to go down Central Park West. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Oct 17 11:50:08 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 15 16:56:20 2017. I could have sworn the same, that the 57th Street-Sixth Avenue terminal station was opened as a stub-ended terminal in 1968, and that the tracks ended at a bumper block. I remember in the mid-1970's taking the KK train from that station to Brooklyn, before the K or KK was ended.I believe that the display at the NYC Transit Exhibit showed the 57th Street-Sixth Avenue station as a stub-end terminal on their intricate plastic tubed display board of the subway tracks. I had always known about the layup trains north of the 57th Street-Seventh Avenue station - I used that station regularly for high school in the mid-1970's. I am wondering about that photo. Much work on the 63rd Street Tunnel was done in the 1970's with Roosevelt Island being reached by October 1972, according to Wikipedia - passenger service would not begin until 1989. It definitely seems possible. Mike |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 17 14:15:19 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 16 15:43:33 2017. It had been my understanding, perhaps incorrect, that while a layups were technically possible north of 57/7 from Day 1, there was a set of switches that reduced the practical layup zone to 3 car lengths. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 17 14:16:26 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 16 15:47:54 2017. Thanks. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 17 15:43:40 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Q4 on Tue Oct 17 08:11:50 2017. And as I mentioned in several posts, although the infrastructure allows for all 4 tracks to go to 63 St, the cesspool of incompetence that passes for MTA planning only connected the express tks to 63 St seriously compromising flexibility in the event of a train breakdown or other service disruption that blocks access to 63 St and the SAS. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 17 16:00:27 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] JFK Express, posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Tue Oct 17 03:25:11 2017. Actually, if the JFK Express ran today, it would carry an orange bullet since it was on 6 Ave. |
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