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[ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 19 15:22:24 2017 
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Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jun 19 17:06:52 2017, in response to [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 19 15:22:24 2017. Do we know what happens to the current site and MSG, if anything? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jun 19 19:20:42 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jun 19 17:06:52 2017. This has no bearing on the current site of Penn Station. This is across the street at 8th Ave., former Post Office. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Jun 19 19:21:43 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jun 19 19:20:42 2017. Very impressive facility. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jun 19 19:49:36 2017, in response to [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 19 15:22:24 2017. Excellent.I don't suppose it comes with a 9th ave Subway :P |
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Re: [ARTICLE] $1.6 billion Moynihan "Staiton" Plan Is A Done Deal? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 19 20:20:01 2017, in response to [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 19 15:22:24 2017. The experts also point out that about 80% of Penn Station commuters and visitors will not set foot in Moynihan Station, which is between Eighth and Ninth avenues, because they enter the transit hub via its two main entrances on Seventh Avenue.Fluff and waste. There is no "Penn Station expansion" here. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] $1.6 billion Moynihan "Station" Plan Is A Dung Deal |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 19 20:21:14 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Jun 19 19:21:43 2017. It's a joke. 20 percent of people using NYP will go there? |
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Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 20 06:59:02 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jun 19 19:49:36 2017. I get the joke. But in truth, a Far West Side Subway (the "FWSS") will soon be needed. It will likely never be built- but it will be needed. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 20 12:01:39 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 20 06:59:02 2017. I once asked someone why the IND subway was built under 8 Ave instead of under 9th and was told that at the time there was “nothing there” presumably meaning that there was insufficient population west of 8 Ave to warrant a far west side subway line. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jun 20 12:32:24 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 20 12:01:39 2017. If the line was built there 9th Avenue would have developed immediately.ROAR |
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Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 20 12:35:36 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 20 06:59:02 2017. Yes..there was a IND plan to build a line under 10th ave,with a crosstown connector to the eastside 2nd ave route via 34th st.Obviously, nother ever came of it, and the plan was dropped. Today,such a network would definitely be extremely useful. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] $1.6 billion Moynihan ''Station'' Plan Is A Dung Deal |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jun 20 15:43:30 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $1.6 billion Moynihan "Station" Plan Is A Dung Deal, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 19 20:21:14 2017. That's 20% less congestion at the original NYP. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jun 20 15:46:03 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 20 12:01:39 2017. I thought the reason was that they wanted to build under CPW, and so they just continued in a straight line south of there. Building on 9th (Columbus) north of 59th would have been too close to the IRT. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] $1.6 billion Moynihan ''Staiton'' Plan Is A Done Deal? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 20 17:31:04 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $1.6 billion Moynihan "Staiton" Plan Is A Done Deal?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 19 20:20:01 2017. It is a CONCOURSE, not a Station.I also think it is a ridiculous vanity project. We all have our own punch list on how that $1.6B would have been better used. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 20 17:35:57 2017, in response to [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jun 19 15:22:24 2017. If they are going to build the concourse with a glass ceiling like that, they'd better make sure there is some powerful a/c installed. Sunny days in the summer will be brutal in there without it. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] $1.6 billion Moynihan ''Station'' Plan Is A Dung Deal |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 20 18:02:09 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] $1.6 billion Moynihan ''Station'' Plan Is A Dung Deal, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jun 20 15:43:30 2017. That would be Amtrak and some minority of LIRR passengers. Most Amtrak passengers will still walk through the existing Penn Station to get to Moynihan. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jun 20 18:03:55 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jun 19 19:49:36 2017. They should build an el from 10th Ave and 33rd up to 34th and across 34th to 2nd Ave. A lot of dots to connect. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 20 20:09:52 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 20 12:01:39 2017. I'm sure that was the case. In fact, it was the case much more recently than the 1930s.Not anymore.... |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jun 20 21:57:18 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 20 17:35:57 2017. I believe there is glass that does not allow that much heat in. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 21 01:02:37 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jun 20 21:57:18 2017. If it lets the light in, it lets the heat in, since the heat energy is in the light itself. It has to be glass that looks silvery from the outside (because it reflects most light), and strongly tinted from the inside (because it isn't letting most light in).There are probably high tech solutions that are good at letting in visible light but still obstructing infrared wavelengths, but there are limits at how well that's going to work. And there is a lot of energy in the visible spectrum too. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 21 08:43:27 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 20 12:35:36 2017. LION has a Ninth Avenue Subway as part of his Myrtle-Fifth Avenue Subway.The "Local" Trains from Jamaica Center will use the Orange Tunnel and remain on Ninth Avenue. The Express Trains from 'points east' will run non stop from Jamaica center to Brooklyn Center, then to WTC via the Pineapple Tunnel and thence up 5th Avenue to 63rs St. Half via 86th Street Tunnel into Queens with stop at LAG OR Bedford Park, Woodlawn thence eat to CoOp City. ALL new system, no connections with existing system, Linear Induction Power, 80 mph on express runs. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 21 08:45:12 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 21 01:02:37 2017. Crystal Cathederal in LA is all glass and NO A/C. Design allowed natural cooling inside.ROAR |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jun 21 09:09:30 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 21 08:45:12 2017. Interesting. I went there several times when I lived out there, and never realized it didn't have A/C.Looks like it's been renamed the Christ Cathedral (I guess since the Schuller family is no longer in control) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 21 10:23:20 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jun 21 08:43:27 2017. You didn't ROAR.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 21 15:35:25 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jun 21 10:23:20 2017. Meow! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 22 10:38:14 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jun 20 12:35:36 2017. And today, I would do that as an extension of the (L): First to a terminal at 72nd and Amsterdam with provisions to eventually go all the way up Amsterdam Avenue. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 22 10:55:15 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 22 10:38:14 2017. LOL! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 22 18:32:11 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 22 10:55:15 2017. LOL!Stop laughing ! There's money to be had for such a route which will built on time and under budget. Of course, we'll have to put off a full length SAS and defer ESA. lol Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Jun 24 18:07:40 2017, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] 1.6 billion Penn Station Expansion Plan Is A Done Deal, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jun 20 21:57:18 2017. How did the original NYP not get roasting hot as balls in the summer? As we know, it has LOTS of glass. Perhaps there was then and is now glass that filter out some radiant heat ?I've wondered that myself... |
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