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Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines
Posted by El-Train on Fri Jun 23 01:37:37 2017 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr 1/2/3 trains doing the conga and stalling in stations approaching 96th, throngs of Upper Manhattan resident waiting/squeezing into sparse, regular-sized buses @ 96th, having to walk up to 103rd/110th/116th just to have a chance of squeezing in to said buses...prob the worst GO I've experienced in the 20+years I've ridden the 1 line. "Not in the light of God or the light of day would this be acceptable" - Frustrated guy @ 96th.
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Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines
Posted by BrooklynTrain* on Fri Jun 23 11:23:23 2017, in response to Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines, posted by El-Train on Fri Jun 23 01:37:37 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Unlike Brooklyn R train residents who have no subway alternative when their line is shut down (hence the large number of shuttle buses needed), Harlem residents have multiple other late night options including the A and D which they may wish to consider.
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Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines
Posted by randyo* on Fri Jun 23 14:31:32 2017, in response to Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines, posted by BrooklynTrain on Fri Jun 23 11:23:23 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr There are certain locations. however where a walk from one subway line to another is not just a simple matter of walking a few blocks. If the IRT Bway line N/O 96 St or the IND in the same area were taken O/S, passengers at stations like 137 St and 145 St would have a rather large park to cross. In the Wash Hts/Inwood area a similar problem would result between the A and the #1 since Ft Tryon Pk gets in between them
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Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines
Posted by Peter Rosa* on Fri Jun 23 14:34:11 2017, in response to Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 23 14:31:32 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr At the very least there should be extra bus service.
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Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines
Posted by AlM* on Fri Jun 23 14:48:29 2017, in response to Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 23 14:31:32 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr In the Wash Hts/Inwood area a similar problem would result between the A and the #1 since Ft Tryon Pk gets in between them I believe at 181st and 190th it's not a trivial walk from the 1 to the A, but it's not because Ft. Tryon Park is between the two of them. It's because they are under different hills and there is a valley in between.
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Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines
Posted by randyo* on Fri Jun 23 15:02:21 2017, in response to Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 23 14:48:29 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr There is some sort of park between them and although I am originally from the neighborhood, I thought it was Ft Tryon but it might be a part of Inwood Hill Pk.
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Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines
Posted by AlM* on Fri Jun 23 15:16:49 2017, in response to Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 23 15:02:21 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Not correct now. Perhaps when you lived there the Bennet Ave entrance to the 190th Street A was closed. If so, Ft Tryon Park would have been in the way. But currently the problem is that you can't go straight across because the hills are so steep there is no direct route; not because of a park.
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Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines
Posted by Dyre Dan* on Fri Jun 23 16:55:29 2017, in response to Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 23 15:16:49 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr The tunnel entrances to the 190th and 191st St. stations are a block apart, at Bennett Ave. and at Broadway. Both stations have access from both the top and the bottom of their respective hills. The streets where it is really difficult to get from one line to the other are 116th and 135th/137th, with Morningside and St. Nicholas Parks, respectively, in the way.
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Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines
Posted by AlM* on Fri Jun 23 17:13:55 2017, in response to Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jun 23 16:55:29 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Ah, OK, I'd forgotten that 191st on the 1 has a bottom-of-the-hill entrance too.
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Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines
Posted by Michael549* on Fri Jun 23 18:46:23 2017, in response to Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jun 23 16:55:29 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr From a prevous message: The tunnel entrances to the 190th and 191st St. stations are a block apart, at Bennett Ave. and at Broadway. Both stations have access from both the top and the bottom of their respective hills. -------- Not exactly. From NYCSubway.Org 190th Street-Overlook Terrace - There are two exits from the 190th Street/Overlook Terrace station, neither of which leads to 190th Street or Overlook Terrace. One exit is via elevators to Fort Washington Avenue at Cabrini Boulevard and the Margaret Corbin Circle entrance to Fort Tryon Park. The elevators are still manually operated by an attendant. The other exit is a long downward-sloping corridor out to Bennett Avenue between 192nd Street and Broadway. Via Google Maps - I've "virtually walked" the distances they are not " a block apart! While it is true that Bennett Avenue is a "block" away from Broadway, the tunnel entrance to the #1 train is actually at Broadway and 190th street, actually at the intersection. Walking the block from one corner to the next corner at 190th Street and Broadway to 190th Street & Bennett Avenue does not yield a subway station entrance. The A-train entrance at Bennett Avenue near 192nd Street is actually a bit north of 192nd Street - NOT AT THE INTERSECTION. Even walking down 192nd Street and Bennett Avenue to 192nd Street and Broadway one has to walk to 190th Street for the #1 train entrance. The trick is that Broadway happens to be one long "unbroken block" and 191st Street does not seem to exist. Even if allowing for walking "UP one long block on Broadway" one still has walk the city block OVER to Bennett Avenue and then a bit further for the actual entrance to the A-train. Are these entrances within a short walking distance of each - yes, but no they are not "a block apart." Mike
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Re: Transit Record for 1940-41
Posted by El-Train* on Sat Jun 24 13:29:57 2017, in response to Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jun 23 14:34:11 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Which they didn't provide. Disaster
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Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines
Posted by italianstallion* on Sat Jun 24 21:54:23 2017, in response to Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines, posted by El-Train on Fri Jun 23 01:37:37 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Why would there be a conga line at 96th? None of those trains are terminating there.
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Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines
Posted by Michael549* on Sat Jun 24 23:47:26 2017, in response to Re: Abysmal overnight service on 1/2/3 lines, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jun 24 21:54:23 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr From a previous message: "Why would there be a conga line at 96th? None of those trains are terminating there." I suppose it is because all of the #1's, #2's and #3's are all heading up Lenox Avenue with #1's and #3's terminating at 148th Street-Lenox Terminal. The major amount of track switching has to occur at the 96th Street station for both directions. Mike
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