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Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017

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Taken today (3/24/2017) on my way from the M60. I was surprised to see this, given that the structure has been there forever without some sign of removal. But I guess this has to do with the upcoming makeover of the Astoria line.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Mar 24 19:04:16 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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Thanks!

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 24 19:16:43 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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Sad.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 24 20:08:45 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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Does anyone know when the last time that tower was manned ?

Bill Newkirk

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 24 22:48:44 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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I wonder if Fisk tower on the Flushing Line at 65th Pl & Roosevelt Ave is still there??

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Mar 25 00:36:36 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 24 22:48:44 2017.

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I think so.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Mar 25 09:30:31 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 24 20:08:45 2017.

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I want to say circa 1989. Not 100% sure on that.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Mar 25 09:31:24 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 24 22:48:44 2017.

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It is.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 25 10:38:35 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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Looks like somebody already nabbed the old interlocking machine.

I could used it on my layout.

ROAR

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Mar 25 12:43:47 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Mar 25 09:31:24 2017.

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Ok Thanks.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 25 13:44:28 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 25 10:38:35 2017.

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The machine was probably dismantled to be used for parts for the remaining US&S machines left on the property of which there are very few.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 25 13:47:04 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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I presume that it was built by the IRT around 1917?

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Mar 25 14:22:05 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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Apart from the sentimental aspect, what is lost by removing a tower altogether after its controls have been remoted to a master tower?

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Mar 25 16:22:25 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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Did you acquire a sentimental piece of history from the dump truck?

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Mar 25 20:52:41 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Mar 25 09:30:31 2017.

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Think it was later than that early 90s.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Mar 26 00:48:00 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Mar 25 16:22:25 2017.

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Have not thought about it, might see if I can ask them.

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Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower (3/25/2017)

Posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Mar 26 00:49:55 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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Taken on Saturday:

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Express Rider on Sun Mar 26 05:02:55 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 24 19:16:43 2017.

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If there's a rapid transit heaven, that's where the BMT Lines have gone...

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Express Rider on Sun Mar 26 05:04:31 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 24 22:48:44 2017.

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Is the tower on the ROW above Grand Central still in use?

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 26 09:47:35 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 25 13:44:28 2017.

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Oh! A US&S machine...

LION uses GRS machines.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 26 14:43:32 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 25 13:47:04 2017.

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Yeah, the line opened on 2/1/1917 as an IRT route, with at first subway trains between Grand Central and Ditmars Avenue above 2nd Avenue (at it was known at the time).

-William A. Padron
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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower (3/25/2017)

Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 26 15:23:11 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower (3/25/2017), posted by GojiMet86 on Sun Mar 26 00:49:55 2017.

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Kinda looks like a poorly designed pagoda, when it's naked!

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 26 15:36:07 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 26 14:43:32 2017.

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Thank you for that. Before the joint BMT/IRT services in 1923, didn't the 2nd Ave el run on the Astoria Line, while the future #7 Line ran out to Alburtis Ave?

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 26 15:40:36 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 26 15:36:07 2017.

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The 2nd Avenue el came in on 7/23/1917, and had the Astoria route for themselves at first. Thus, it forced the IRT subway trains to head out to Alburtis Avenue-Corona solely [it opened on 4/21/1917].

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 26 15:40:39 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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Any guesses as to what will be put in place of the old tower?

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 26 15:42:12 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 26 15:40:36 2017.

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Thanks, again!

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 26 16:01:42 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 26 15:42:12 2017.

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You're welcomed, Elkeeper, and at anytime too!

-William A. Padron
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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Mar 26 17:08:23 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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LOOKS LIKE AN EAST NEW YOUR PENTHOUSE APARTMENT.


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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Mar 26 18:48:52 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 26 15:40:39 2017.

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Maybe nothing at all.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Michael549 on Sun Mar 26 21:45:48 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 26 15:40:39 2017.

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Possibly one of those rectangular shaped metal "trailer" type structures installed in many places about the system.

Mike

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Mar 27 10:04:52 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Mar 25 14:22:05 2017.

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Just the beautiful sight of a real tower looking over the line. ;-)

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Mar 27 10:07:20 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 26 15:40:39 2017.

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Probably nothing. Or perhaps a smaller structure to protect the existing air compressors if necessary.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 27 17:12:14 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 26 09:47:35 2017.

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The Astoria Line was originally an IRT line that the BMT had trackage rights on. That’s why Ditmars and Beebe were both US&S. In fact, even though the BMT got the Astoria Line exclusively in 1949, signal maintenance was done by IRT personnel as late as 1967 when I became Tw/M there. While the IRT as a private company used US&S equipment exclusively, the BMT had a few US&S interlockings in various places like Kings Hwy/Brighton, Marcy, and Fresh Pond just to name a few.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by randyo on Mon Mar 27 17:26:43 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Mar 27 10:07:20 2017.

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I don’t think there are any air compressors since unlike the old signals and switches, the new ones are all electric. If anything is put there it may be either a relay room or a signal maintainer’s board.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Mar 28 12:52:49 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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Anyone know the reason for the demolition?

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Mar 28 13:57:13 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Mar 28 12:52:49 2017.

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Abandoned NYC wooden structures have a nasty habit of setting themselves on fire.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Mar 28 15:19:45 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Mar 28 13:57:13 2017.

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So it caught fire?

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 28 15:29:34 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Mar 28 15:19:45 2017.

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Why do you deduce that?

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Mar 28 17:55:14 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Mar 28 15:19:45 2017.

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NO! They may have just taken it down to avoid a fire hazard. Sometimes, people here take things a bit more literally than they should!

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Mar 29 02:46:55 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by randyo on Mon Mar 27 17:26:43 2017.

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The interlockings themselves receive new all-electric components, but the automatics along the line itself are still air-powered US&S stop arms. Hence, all of the towers along the Flushing Line still stand.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Mar 29 03:00:53 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Mar 28 12:52:49 2017.

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There's a major switch replacement project for the Ditmars Boulevard interlocking beginning soon. A crane will be stationed there, and the tower was in the way.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Mar 29 07:11:35 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Mar 29 03:00:53 2017.

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Thank you!

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Mar 30 01:28:36 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Mar 29 03:00:53 2017.

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Guess there was no other way to mount a crane.

Also, is there a PDF for this info?

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 30 21:49:18 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Mar 29 02:46:55 2017.

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While the existing stop arms on the Flushing line are powered by air, all new installations are all electric and that includes the Astoria line.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by GojiMet86 on Wed May 10 22:11:26 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 10 22:20:20 2017, in response to Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed May 10 22:11:26 2017.

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Goodbye...
I barely remember you.

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Re: Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower

Posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Aug 10 22:51:15 2017, in response to Say goodbye to the old Ditmars Tower, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Mar 24 18:20:14 2017.

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Completely gone now. It's been like that for a couple of weeks now.

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