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interesting G.O. for the "M" train this March |
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Posted by caine515 on Wed Feb 22 10:50:57 2017 the following is a upcoming G.O. for the "M" line. This reroute makes no sense;No trains between Myrtle Av and Metropolitan Av Shuttle Free shuttle buses provide alternate service Weekends, 11:45 PM Fri to 5 AM Mon, Mar 3 - 6 • Mar 10 - 13 • Mar 17 - 20 M service operates between Essex St and Myrtle Av and via the J/Z to/from Broadway Junction. I don't understand why you would run a "M" to begin with on the weekend. Wouldn't it make better sense to run extra "J" service instead? |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Feb 22 10:57:53 2017, in response to interesting G.O. for the "M" train this March, posted by caine515 on Wed Feb 22 10:50:57 2017. More Js means more trains needed. And people might wait at Essex for an M that never comes. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Feb 22 11:05:46 2017, in response to interesting G.O. for the "M" train this March, posted by caine515 on Wed Feb 22 10:50:57 2017. Full length M trains? meaning possibly SMEE's on the weekend M? |
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Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Feb 22 11:17:50 2017, in response to interesting G.O. for the "M" train this March, posted by caine515 on Wed Feb 22 10:50:57 2017. Effectively, it is extra (short-turn) J service. But M trains have been running to Essex St. on weekends for a while now, and these trains are probably run using the crews and equipment that would go to Met if the line wasn't closed. So, they are labeled M trains. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Feb 22 11:32:30 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Feb 22 11:17:50 2017. Just for fun, I'd like them to go to Canarsie, but I don't know if that's possible with CBTC. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Feb 22 11:40:26 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Feb 22 11:17:50 2017. these trains are probably run using the crews and equipment that would go to Met if the line wasn't closed. So, they are labeled M trains.But it no longer seems to be policy to label trains according to what they are seen as operationally, given the "Q via Sea Beach." The least confusion to passengers in this case would result from having some J trains being short-turned and M service suspended. Then basically all the announcements have to say are: "No M service" and the worst that can happen is that someone has to get off a short-turned J and just wait for the next one. Instead, by calling them Ms, they have to explain that M trains are not going where they ordinarily go and people who miss that will be inclined to go the wrong way. While things will be different on weekdays when this type of thing is happening, for weekends without a Myrtle Ave branch there is no need to designate any train "M." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 22 11:41:37 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by SLRT on Wed Feb 22 11:32:30 2017. It is possible but it "ruins" CBTC. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Feb 22 13:58:21 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Feb 22 11:40:26 2017. the "Q via Sea Beach."Let's count our blessings that they don't label them "Q via N." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 22 14:01:43 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Feb 22 11:40:26 2017. IAWTP |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Feb 22 15:22:06 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Feb 22 11:40:26 2017. Totally agreed. This creates a load of confusion for no public benefit. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Feb 22 15:24:56 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Feb 22 11:05:46 2017. I very much doubt it. They'll only run eight car trains whenever the M runs to Midtown. Anything else is OPTO, presumably to save money. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 22 16:35:05 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Feb 22 15:22:06 2017. Possible...but the it has nothing to do with labeling.It JOBS. What do you do with those M crews,who would otherwise be sitting in crew rooms getting paid for doing nothing? They PICKED that line...the trains have to run ,so why not just run them? |
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Posted by alm on Wed Feb 22 16:59:32 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Feb 22 11:40:26 2017. Shouldn't this thread now go on for 500 posts as to whether these short runs should be called Ms or Js? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 22 17:02:04 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by SLRT on Wed Feb 22 10:57:53 2017. All the MTA needs to do is post service notices indicating that M service will not operate during the affected hours. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 22 17:07:44 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 22 16:35:05 2017. There was a time when the TA designated jobs on lines that were in danger of being modified or eliminated as “T” or temporary jobs meaning that employees who picked them did so “on chance” that the runs could be either adjusted or eliminated entirely allowing those employees to be reassigned to the extra list in seniority order. Doing that would eliminate the problems with what to do with idle crews when their line is suspended. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Feb 22 17:29:20 2017, in response to interesting G.O. for the "M" train this March, posted by caine515 on Wed Feb 22 10:50:57 2017. Won't the M trainsets be cut off from their yard during the GO. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Feb 22 18:31:08 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 22 16:35:05 2017. They could run the trains as short-turn Js as explained earlier in the thread. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Feb 22 18:42:27 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Feb 22 15:24:56 2017. This past weekend the M was running 4-car OPTO between Met Av and Chambers St. They could do the same thing between B'way Jct and Essex. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Wed Feb 22 18:56:44 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 22 11:41:37 2017. They would have to turn CBTC off between Broadway Junction and Rock Parkway and the M crews would still need to be CBTC qualified. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Feb 22 19:01:07 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by VictorM on Wed Feb 22 18:42:27 2017. Yes.The irrational conspiracy theorist in me hasn't ever liked the fact that shorter trains are running into the CBD in the daytime, much less at all. All it takes is one person to say 'if it works on weekends...' |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 22 19:54:25 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Feb 22 18:31:08 2017. There are weekday, reverse peak J's whose eastern terminus is ENY, so the world won't crack if that were to happen on weekends. |
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Posted by Transportation Hub on Wed Feb 22 20:01:30 2017, in response to interesting G.O. for the "M" train this March, posted by caine515 on Wed Feb 22 10:50:57 2017. That same reroute is going to occur this June once Myrtle Viaduct reconstruction starts. North Brooklyn and Queens, get ready. |
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Posted by Transportation Hub on Wed Feb 22 20:01:33 2017, in response to interesting G.O. for the "M" train this March, posted by caine515 on Wed Feb 22 10:50:57 2017. That same reroute is going to occur this June once Myrtle Viaduct reconstruction starts. North Brooklyn and Queens, get ready. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 22 20:04:04 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Transportation Hub on Wed Feb 22 20:01:33 2017. Merriment on the Three Stooges Division, as usual.:) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Feb 22 20:04:05 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by alm on Wed Feb 22 16:59:32 2017. Or Ms via the J. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Feb 22 20:17:15 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Feb 22 19:01:07 2017. They need the full length for rush hours, and cutting trains every day is more labor intensive than cutting them once Friday night and rejoining Sunday night.Kindof like how Fulton/Nassau And Broad St were closed weekends but kept open weekday overnights - only going through the effort once a week instead of every day. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Feb 22 20:20:14 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 22 17:07:44 2017. IIRC while the G was still supposed to run on Queens Blvd on weekends, but was cut 49 weeks a year due to GOs, they didn't bother having the extra crews needed for the full length as picked jobs. AFAIK the Court Sq short turn schedule was the main one and the full length was a supplement! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 22 20:36:56 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by VictorM on Wed Feb 22 18:42:27 2017. Which is exactly what will happen next pick on the weekend M when replacement of the concrete viaduct just past B'way/Myrtle takes place. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 22 20:40:10 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 22 16:35:05 2017. For all crews on all lines, you get reassigned to another line/job. Or extra board. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 22 20:44:58 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Feb 22 17:29:20 2017. They can use 4 car R160's from the J line fleet. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Feb 22 21:11:22 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by alm on Wed Feb 22 16:59:32 2017. It's conceivable, but I think the fact that at no time do the trains in question leave the J line should pretty much seal it up before we reach that number of posts. |
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Posted by B1bus on Wed Feb 22 22:47:16 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 22 17:02:04 2017. NOBODY READS OR UNDERSTANDS the notices, or there not in everyones language. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 23 00:15:18 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by B1bus on Wed Feb 22 22:47:16 2017. Yup. Look at how many people can't understand the simple "everything is running local/express in one direction" situation. I was thinking the best way to keep people from waiting for a local (or express) that never comes (since they ignore the pink tape) would be to just park a work train in the station on the track that's closed. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Thu Feb 23 01:31:28 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by alm on Wed Feb 22 16:59:32 2017. How about Wallyhorse chiming in with rerouting the (C) to Canarsie? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Feb 23 10:13:47 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 22 11:41:37 2017. Can CBTC detect a non-CBTC train running ahead? IOW, if some R32 train, say, ran in service if the headway allowed, would the system know it was there?Yes, I know there would be other problems, but I'm thinking of the "would the R160 with CBTC on run into the R32?" angle. |
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Posted by R211 on Thu Feb 23 12:42:41 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by SLRT on Thu Feb 23 10:13:47 2017. http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1425408 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Feb 23 15:11:13 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 22 20:44:58 2017. Hah...there aren't too many 160s in the J line fleet as it is.You MIGHT catch one if your lucky. |
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Posted by transitbuff on Thu Feb 23 16:34:17 2017, in response to interesting G.O. for the "M" train this March, posted by caine515 on Wed Feb 22 10:50:57 2017. Updated to include:Weekend of March 24-27. |
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Posted by transitbuff on Thu Feb 23 16:35:35 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 23 00:15:18 2017. Then many will want to board that work train.. |
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Posted by transitbuff on Thu Feb 23 16:41:24 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 22 20:44:58 2017. They could move a few consists from Fresh Pd. Yard to ENY, for the affected weekends. |
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Posted by transitbuff on Thu Feb 23 16:42:09 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Transportation Hub on Wed Feb 22 20:01:30 2017. Is there a tentative date for that job yet? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Feb 23 17:32:26 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Edwards! on Thu Feb 23 15:11:13 2017. They can work it out. The J dispatcher can be instructed to lay them up to ENYD on Friday nights. The weekend M from Broadway Jct. to Essex would require no more than six 4 car trains, only 3 trains of R160's will be needed. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Feb 23 17:40:25 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Feb 23 17:32:26 2017. I am more referring to what has to happen when the M connection is closed for multiple months. For this GO, they can get a few trains from FPYD before it starts. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 24 21:19:40 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by B1bus on Wed Feb 22 22:47:16 2017. Not my problem. Welcome to the US of A, now SPEAK ENGLISH!!!!! |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 24 21:21:15 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Feb 23 17:40:25 2017. In all likelihood, they will clear Fresh Pond Yd and store the Ms elsewhere. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Feb 25 21:08:20 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by randyo on Fri Feb 24 21:21:15 2017. They are planning to store a few trains at Fresh Pond Yard to provide shuttle service between Metropolitan Av and Wyckoff Av when the new RR overpass is complete this September. They are building a temporary maintenance shed in the yard. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Feb 25 21:21:19 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Feb 22 15:22:06 2017. Except this is going to be the case later this year and early next when the (M) is originating from Broadway Junction during the work on the Myrtle EL. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Feb 25 21:27:59 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Thu Feb 23 01:31:28 2017. LOL!!!Actually, since you have the (A) and (C) rerouted via Rutgers anyway at least a couple of weekends I believe, that is something I would look at doing with the (C), having that run to Broadway Junction and experiment with having the (S) that normally runs to Broad Channel from Rockaway Park run to Broadway Junction (as an express between Broadway Junction and Euclid while the (A) is local the full run of Fulton). |
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Posted by Mtatransit on Sat Feb 25 22:54:37 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Feb 25 21:27:59 2017. Wait during Myrtle construction, would t some M on weekday terminate at 2 AV. That would be like the ghost of the old V train |
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Posted by Mtatransit on Sat Feb 25 22:58:48 2017, in response to Re: interesting G.O. for the ''M'' train this March, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Feb 25 21:27:59 2017. Wait during Myrtle construction, would t some M on weekday terminate at 2 AV. That would be like the ghost of the old V train |
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