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Tuscarora Almanac for February 10

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 10 10:28:55 2017

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Tuscarora Almanac February 10, 1964 The Book of First Runs

New York City Transit Authority
BMT Division

Due to the need to lengthen platforms at Newkirk Avenue skip-stop service is put into effect on the Brighton Line. The local tracks north and south of the station are hard-railed into the express tracks. No. 1(M) and No.1 (Q) express trains will stop at Parkside Avenue and Avenue J in additional to the regular express stops. No.1 (QT) local trains will bypass Parkside Avenue and Avenue J.

Source: New York Division Bulletin / August 1936 & April 1964



Tuscarora Almanac February 10, 1992 The Book of First Runs

New York City Transit Authority
IRT Division

No. 7 Flushing Expresses resume stopping at 61st Street-Woodside. Express service to this station had been suspended on August 21, 1989.

Source: New York Division Bulletin / March 1992

Larry, RedbirdR33


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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10

Posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Feb 10 10:55:58 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 10 10:28:55 2017.

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Looking at the station today, it's hard to believe that no express service was provided at Woodside. Was it just not a busy stop, even with the LIRR beneath?

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 10 11:26:38 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Feb 10 10:55:58 2017.

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My mom lived in Woodside by herself at the time after my father died.I'd visit & stay overnight once a week. Then the next morning I'd walk to 61st to catch a #7 local (only) to the city to get to work. While waiting for my train, an express would always come thru w/o stopping. Sometimes those expresses would fly thru. Once a train was going so fast I could see the last truck of the last car shimmy side to side. I believe the railroad term is "hunting".
Often wondered what the speed limit was for subway trains that highballed stations. Some trains would crawl thru.

Anyway, the locals & many LIRR folks that used the station screamed like hell. The TA caved & express service resumed.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Feb 10 12:00:25 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 10 11:26:38 2017.

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The rule was and is more than 15 MPH passing thru a station w/o stopping.

In those days supervision wasn't as diligent in enforcing that rule as they are today. A t/o would be taken out of service in a NY Minute today.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Feb 10 12:00:25 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 10 11:26:38 2017.

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The rule was and is more than 15 MPH passing thru a station w/o stopping.

In those days supervision wasn't as diligent in enforcing that rule as they are today. A t/o would be taken out of service in a NY Minute today.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10

Posted by northshore on Fri Feb 10 12:02:44 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 10 10:28:55 2017.

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Was Woodside express stop temporarily curtailed because of the Fisk Interchange Project?

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 10 13:39:54 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10, posted by northshore on Fri Feb 10 12:02:44 2017.

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No. It was never "temporary". It was meant to be permanent. They printed up a series of subway maps that changed 61st Woodside to a local stop to reinforce & inform of the change. IIRC the Fisk interchange project didn't happen for another 10 years. Someone at the MTA thought it was a good idea to speed up the commute from Willets Point ( big "park & ride situation there) & Main St at the expense of Woodside patrons.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10

Posted by Ian Lennon on Fri Feb 10 14:54:59 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Feb 10 12:00:25 2017.

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I remember going full speed, Broadway Junction to Euclid via local track. It was 3 in the morning, and I was surprised.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10

Posted by Nilet on Fri Feb 10 15:02:34 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10, posted by Ian Lennon on Fri Feb 10 14:54:59 2017.

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I remember a trip down from 225th Street after school in the early 2000s that didn't slow down at all when bypassing stations. I was also surprised.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10

Posted by Union Tpke on Fri Feb 10 17:20:26 2017, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 10 10:28:55 2017.

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I have maps that showed Woodside as being a local stop. Why were they stupid enough to do that?

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10

Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 10 19:45:20 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Feb 10 12:00:25 2017.

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The current rule has been modified and is now that the train may enter the station at normal speed but must be going no more than 15 MPH by the time the first car reaches the leaving end of the platform at which time the train may resume normal speed.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Feb 10 21:46:56 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10, posted by randyo on Fri Feb 10 19:45:20 2017.

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Hopefully, this modification will speed up the "J" and "Z" skip-stop service.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10

Posted by Italianstallion on Fri Feb 10 22:50:36 2017, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 10, posted by randyo on Fri Feb 10 19:45:20 2017.

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That makes sense as a train stopping at a station enters at normal speed.

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