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Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr I will not be answering questions, I was asked to share this. Take it as you wish but this is what happened Sunday the 4th to the R9 Holiday Special. Car 1300 experienced a dropped armature, meaning the roller bearings in one traction motor (an upgrade made on all the R1/9s during their service life) failed at speed. This resulted in one axle locking up, which in turn meant the wheels attached to it were no longer turning. This caused damage to the wheelset as it was dragged. There was no warning it was going to do this, which is one of the bad things about roller bearings - older friction style ones tend to make a bit of smoke and give off all sorts of interesting noise before they fail. This happened while on the way to Second Avenue, well after leaving the yard, but not while carrying passengers. The train was placed in Second Avenue and we did one trip with 5 cars, which due to the tremendous popularity of the train was simply not enough. Bill Wall made the decision to not continue the schedule for the day in the interest of the regular service not being delayed. That is our first priority, period: DO NOT TIE UP THE ROAD - REGULAR SERVICE COMES FIRST. Temporary repairs were made to move 1300 back to 207th Street, which was done on Monday night. It needed to go very slowly, due to the nature of the repairs, which included welding the wheels. It made it back in one piece. Restricted speed moves are done at night when needed, which is the protocol. Delays are expected when these moves are done. It is unavoidable. This particular problem had nothing to do with anything but itself, no matter what others may speculate. Bearing failures happen on even the newest cars. Minor issues pop up on all trains at anytime, and the museum cars are no exception. We know these cars intimately and deal with things accordingly. To have something like this happen is beyond frustrating. Note that this is the first time we have ever had to cancel a holiday train in the 12 years we have been doing this and other trips as well. If anything, that in itself is impressive. Once the holiday season is over, 1300 will be evaluated as to what repairs will be needed and how best to go about it. We will be running this weekend with a seven car train.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Wed Dec 7 18:58:23 2016, in response to Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Thanks for the info! I hope 1300 comes out of this okay...
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Robert From Queens* on Wed Dec 7 19:50:39 2016, in response to Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Lou: Thanks for clarifying what happened. We were on the run from Queens Plaza to Second Avenue when the announcement was made. The people who go year after year, and I count myself among them, appreciate the work Bill Wall and his crew do to keep the train running. I'm glad you confirmed this was the first time a holiday train was cancelled, as I never remember any issues other than a stuck door here and there. Robert
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Wed Dec 7 19:53:26 2016, in response to Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Glad to hear the problem has been diagnosed. It is what it is. Kudos to all the good folks at 207th St. for all the work they do keeping our beloved old timers running!
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Bob Andersen* on Wed Dec 7 21:57:31 2016, in response to Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Thanks for the info!
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Wed Dec 7 22:04:36 2016, in response to Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr thank you for the coherent explanation. Indeed, regular service with as minimal delay as feasible is primary.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Wallyhorse* on Wed Dec 7 22:52:53 2016, in response to Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Great to hear what happened as well. Obviously, a lot of love goes into this.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by TerrApin Station* on Thu Dec 8 00:12:08 2016, in response to Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Really? An unattributed piece THAT YOU CHOSE TO POST that you refuse to answer questions about? How F'ing shady is that? Can you be any more shady? What is your problem?
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by GojiMet86* on Thu Dec 8 01:13:23 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Dec 8 00:12:08 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Ask the Museum crew directly. You clearly doubt the explanation that Lou was asked, on part of someone else, to share on SubChat. Shoot the Museum an e-mail and get rid of your doubts.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by MainR3664* on Thu Dec 8 07:20:24 2016, in response to Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Thank you for this info.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by TransitChuckG* on Thu Dec 8 07:38:49 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 8 07:20:24 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Thanks for the story, Lou from Brooklyn, hopefully it's fixable.
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Lou from Brooklyn, that is great news, running the Holiday Train again
Posted by Fred G* on Thu Dec 8 07:41:54 2016, in response to Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Thanks for the update, Lou.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Thu Dec 8 08:03:31 2016, in response to Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr We will be running this weekend with a seven car train. A seven car train running is better than a five car train as a static display. Bill Newkrik
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Thu Dec 8 08:47:33 2016, in response to Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Thanks for the very detailed information. I am hopeful that I'll be finally able to get a ride this season.
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Re: Lou from Brooklyn, that is great news, running the Holiday Train again
Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Dec 8 09:32:27 2016, in response to Lou from Brooklyn, that is great news, running the Holiday Train again, posted by Fred G on Thu Dec 8 07:41:54 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Best news I've heard of in a long time.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by William A. Padron* on Thu Dec 8 09:39:00 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Dec 8 08:03:31 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr And it is not the first time that a museum car has had problems like this. IIRC, R-17 car #6609 was part of a consist in regular service on one of the holiday runs along the #7 some years ago, and somehow, and possibly, the brakes locked up on the car at Times Square. Getting that one out of there was no mean feat either, and #6609 has not been seen since, not even back at Court Street. -William A. Padron ["SMEE"]
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Thu Dec 8 09:55:41 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Dec 8 09:39:00 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Getting that one out of there was no mean feat either, and #6609 has not been seen since, not even back at Court Street. #6609 is not at the Transit Museum as we speak ? Bill Newkirk
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by William A. Padron* on Thu Dec 8 10:08:55 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Dec 8 09:55:41 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Correct! The other SMEE's [#5760, #6239 and #9306] are there at the TM. -William A. Padron ["StLCo"]
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by chud1* on Thu Dec 8 10:54:08 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Dec 7 19:53:26 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr IAWTP! chud1. :).....
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Catfish 44* on Thu Dec 8 11:01:31 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Dec 8 09:55:41 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr I don't recall seeing an R-17 in the museum.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by William A. Padron* on Thu Dec 8 11:34:38 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 8 11:01:31 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Scroll down the page, and the R-17 is mentioned there. Vintage Fleet - New York Transit Museum -William A. Padron ["Car #6609, Where Are You?"]
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Bob Andersen* on Thu Dec 8 13:16:03 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Dec 8 08:03:31 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Why not add some Standards or a D Unit to make a 10 car train? Are they not compatable?
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by terRAPIN station* on Thu Dec 8 13:59:49 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Dec 8 01:13:23 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Ask the Museum crew directly. If I had any relevant questions, I would. You clearly doubt the explanation that Lou was asked, on part of someone else, to share on SubChat. How so? Why do you get that impression? Shoot the Museum an e-mail and get rid of your doubts. My doubts can not be gotten rid of via the Museum. Clearly my issue was with how and what Lou posted.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by chud1* on Thu Dec 8 14:27:00 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Dec 8 11:34:38 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for this article. chud1. :).....
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by GojiMet86* on Thu Dec 8 14:39:21 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Dec 8 13:59:49 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr How so? Why do you get that impression? You should ask yourself that question. Clearly my issue was with how and what Lou posted.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Joe V* on Thu Dec 8 14:40:23 2016, in response to Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Could ENY have done the work ? That would have been a shorter, less risky trip from 2nd Avenue I would think.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Catfish 44* on Thu Dec 8 14:40:55 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Dec 8 11:34:38 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr I know we have one in the fleet but I don't recall seeing it down there. I have bad timing for R-17s
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Joe V* on Thu Dec 8 14:56:22 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Dec 8 13:16:03 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Doors won't MU.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by TerrApin Station* on Thu Dec 8 14:57:13 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Dec 8 14:39:21 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Yes. With what Lou posted. Not with what the other guy wrote, per se.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Thu Dec 8 18:42:53 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Dec 8 09:55:41 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr It hasn't been there for a long time now.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Thu Dec 8 18:44:09 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 7 22:52:53 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Those cars are part of our extended family.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Thu Dec 8 18:48:13 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Dec 8 07:38:49 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Hopefully we'll be kept posted.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by TerrApin Station* on Thu Dec 8 19:10:49 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 8 18:48:13 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Huh? Why would we be? Lou said he won't answer any questions.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Thu Dec 8 19:21:05 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 8 18:48:13 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Posted about what? The holiday train will be 7 cars for weeks 3 & 4. We'll see what happens as time goes on
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by TerrApin Station* on Thu Dec 8 19:32:52 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 8 19:21:05 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr That appears to be the plan, at least. Anything could still happen to change that.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Catfish 44* on Thu Dec 8 20:33:56 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 8 19:21:05 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Posted about the condition and progress of repairs to 1300 I would assume.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by randyo* on Thu Dec 8 20:47:10 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 8 14:56:22 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr If the C/R operating position is set up with the D type on one side of the C/R and the R-9s on the other, the doors don’t have to actually MU. The door controls on the D will be fully functional as long as the door handles are unlocked and the door controls on the R-9s will also be fully functional as long as the drum switch on the R-9 is set to the “on”position and the actual M/M’s indication will pass through without any problem.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by randyo* on Thu Dec 8 20:47:48 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 8 14:56:22 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr If the C/R operating position is set up with the D type on one side of the C/R and the R-9s on the other, the doors don’t have to actually MU. The door controls on the D will be fully functional as long as the door handles are unlocked and the door controls on the R-9s will also be fully functional as long as the drum switch on the R-9 is set to the “on”position and the M/M’s indication will pass through without any problem.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by randyo* on Thu Dec 8 20:49:22 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 8 14:40:23 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr ENY Yd is not equipped for the heavy duty work that the car requires. Only 207 and CIY has the necessary facilities.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Fulton Frank* on Thu Dec 8 21:38:45 2016, in response to Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 7 17:51:35 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Nice update, thanks. I'll be riding this weekend
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Thu Dec 8 21:59:14 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 8 20:47:10 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr The Triplexes have step plates as do the R-1/9s.
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Thu Dec 8 22:00:11 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 8 20:49:22 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr This is not a job for the Three Stooges.:)
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Thu Dec 8 22:01:04 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 8 20:33:56 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Yes, that's what I meant. I got the part about the 7-car train on Sunday.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Express Rider* on Thu Dec 8 22:45:10 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Dec 8 11:34:38 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr I clicked on the link above and didn't see pre-war IRT (Lo-V Trailer) or BMT (Triplex, 2204) equipment currently being exhibited. Does anyone know the status of these cars? Thanks.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by MainR3664* on Fri Dec 9 06:45:51 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Dec 8 10:08:55 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Don't forget 8506... :)
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Fri Dec 9 07:28:35 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 8 22:00:11 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Keeping it on topic.
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by William A. Padron* on Fri Dec 9 09:03:16 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Express Rider on Thu Dec 8 22:45:10 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Both of them are still there. They have not been moved. -William A. Padron ["Court"]
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by William A. Padron* on Fri Dec 9 09:05:11 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Dec 9 06:45:51 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr And R-44 #5240 [ex-172] too! -William A. Padron ["A"]
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Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story
Posted by MainR3664* on Fri Dec 9 13:31:10 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Dec 9 09:05:11 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Ehhh....I wouldn't mind forgetting that one :)
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Fri Dec 9 19:56:14 2016, in response to Re: Holiday Train 1300 The Real Story, posted by Express Rider on Thu Dec 8 22:45:10 2016.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr 2204 is a BMT standard.
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