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PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 5 13:27:59 2016 Franklin Square |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Dec 5 13:46:01 2016, in response to PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 5 13:27:59 2016. The heavy construction work may not happen until 2020, with the opening the following year.*** So a station exists, it's used off and on, last time in 1970, and it's going to take maybe 5 years to clean it up enough for people to use? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 5 14:20:23 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Dec 5 13:46:01 2016. That puzzles me, also. |
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Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station |
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Posted by LA Scott on Mon Dec 5 14:28:32 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Dec 5 13:46:01 2016. In addition to the total rehab of station that still has trains going though it 24/7, they are putting elevators in a park.3+ years for planning, budget approval, design, community input, and contracts followed by a year+ for construction seems reasonable by government agency standards. |
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Re: PATCO to close Franklin Square station |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 5 14:38:35 2016, in response to PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 5 13:27:59 2016. Predicted future headline. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 5 19:11:31 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by LA Scott on Mon Dec 5 14:28:32 2016. Design work?? Last I saw when passing through the station looked just fine. Put some signs and light bulbs in, powerwash, jackhammer open the exits, repair stairs, frame exit staircases with 3 railings, add turnstiles and vending machines, toss in some security cameras. Less than $1m there. Now just add in $10m for the elevators and we've done it for less than half price. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Dec 5 20:08:36 2016, in response to PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 5 13:27:59 2016. As others have said, just reopened it and do the bare minimum of work required. Though an elevator may be required per ADA. I'm not sure. Would have to research it |
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Re: PATCO to close Franklin Square station |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Dec 5 22:58:32 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to close Franklin Square station, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 5 14:38:35 2016. excellent. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Dec 6 01:10:48 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to close Franklin Square station, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 5 14:38:35 2016. +1 |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 6 08:50:55 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 5 19:11:31 2016. The problem is, some people won't accept it unless it truly was a "new" station. In theory, using the existing tiles might work, but it depends on whether or not those need to be replaced anyway. |
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Posted by northshore on Tue Dec 6 09:07:27 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Dec 5 20:08:36 2016. Look at all the NYC subway stations that are non-ADA compliant. As long as no major renovation is done, ADA compliance is not required. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Dec 6 11:41:08 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by northshore on Tue Dec 6 09:07:27 2016. Look at all the NYC subway stations that are non-ADA compliant.I've been looking at them for years. What is your point? As long as no major renovation is done, ADA compliance is not required.Sorry if I don't take your word for it. I think the issue may be more complicated. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 6 17:08:53 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 6 08:50:55 2016. Would the average passenger even know the difference between the original tiles and new ones if the originals are in very good condition? With modern technology, even the original station lighting shouldn’t need to be replaced like at other stations since the original incandescent bulbs can be replaced by either compact fluorescents or LEDs in the same sockets. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Dec 6 17:44:15 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by randyo on Tue Dec 6 17:08:53 2016. Concur. While I am adamant that the elevator must be installed, re-opening the station as soon as the cleaning/new fare equipment are done is no different from having no ADA accommodations at existing stations would be. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Dec 6 20:52:41 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Dec 6 17:44:15 2016. There are laws. Reopening closed stations requires ADAcompliance. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Dec 6 21:42:26 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Italianstallion on Tue Dec 6 20:52:41 2016. so if you have let the contracts for the elevators with hard completion dates, you can't open? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 6 22:13:25 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Dec 6 21:42:26 2016. People can't ride contracts to/from the platform. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 7 00:37:34 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 6 22:13:25 2016. I do get that. Mind you, with close kin in wheelchairs, I am all for making transit accessible. Iwas unaware thatthe restored station culd not open until up to standard. For comparison CTA has announced cosmetic rehab of Belmont on their Blue Line w/o ADA upgrade, which I find wrong. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 08:37:16 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 5 19:11:31 2016. It has no exits and is probably not ADA compliant. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Dec 7 09:03:10 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 08:37:16 2016. It has exits. They just need to be reopened/rebuilt. And of course it is not ADA compliant!! |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 7 10:08:08 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 08:37:16 2016. It has no exitsThat would of course be an impediment if true. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Dec 7 11:34:41 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 7 00:37:34 2016. Cosmetic upgrades - fine. NYC is doing many such upgrades without ADA. Major rebuilds/reopenings - need ADA unless you get a waiver. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 7 13:24:37 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by italianstallion on Wed Dec 7 11:34:41 2016. As I tried to make clear I am adamant that the ADA upgrades occur. My entire question was whether PATCO could reopen if the elevators were under construction. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 13:44:17 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 7 10:08:08 2016. It has an access hatch, but IIRC, no stairs to street. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 13:44:51 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to close Franklin Square station, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 5 14:38:35 2016. 😂😂😂😂 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 13:46:15 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by northshore on Tue Dec 6 09:07:27 2016. This station has been closed for 40 years. I doubt it can be grandfathered in. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Dec 7 14:01:01 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 13:44:17 2016. I'm sure it has stairs to the street as well, but I know what you hopefully meant (that the stairway openings have been slabbed over and/or replaced with hatches). |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 7 14:56:47 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 13:46:15 2016. Hasn’t it been opened sporadically since it was closed the first time? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 7 19:26:15 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 08:37:16 2016. Did you read my part about jackhammering the opening, repairing stairs, and adding elevators? I mean my post was a bit of a novel at 5 sentences but it was all in the longest one... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 7 19:36:58 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by randyo on Wed Dec 7 14:56:47 2016. Yes, but it was last closed in 1979. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Dec 7 21:36:29 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 7 13:24:37 2016. It does seem unfair and perhaps unreasonable that nobody at all can use something because everyone can't use it immediately. It's the sort of thing that gives otherwise good intentions a bad name. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Dec 8 00:14:18 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 7 19:26:15 2016. LOL! Many years ago Chris outright admitted that he doesn't read the thread before replying. He thinks he's above that. He sees no reason why he should read all the responses before posting his own response. He can't fathom any logic that dictates reading the whole thread before replying. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Dec 8 00:15:10 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Dec 7 21:36:29 2016. Like a midblock crosswalk? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 8 01:22:14 2016, in response to Re: PATCO to reopen Franklin Square station, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Dec 7 21:36:29 2016. Guess what the road to hell is paved with. |
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