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Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens. |
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Posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sat Dec 3 08:56:36 2016 I think that they should run the train of R 1/9s as the first official train when the 2nd Ave. subway is opened to the public.#3 West End Jeff |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 09:04:52 2016, in response to Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sat Dec 3 08:56:36 2016. Or run the Borgaschmord Train with 8013 as the north motor. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 10:22:31 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 09:04:52 2016. That would be much more fitting. |
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Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens. |
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Posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Sat Dec 3 10:41:04 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 09:04:52 2016. R11/R34 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 10:53:43 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Sat Dec 3 10:41:04 2016. That's the one. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 3 10:54:18 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 09:04:52 2016. Correct. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Dec 3 12:33:07 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 10:53:43 2016. The R-11/34 is not at the Transit Museum now, and it is most likely at 207th Street Yard-Shops, along with the R-16 plus other SMEE cars (except the R-38 pair, which is at Court Street as a placeholder).The R-1/9's would be ideal too for the 2nd Avenue subway opening too, since that was a route proposed back in the 1920's with the rest of the IND being built and planned. -William A. Padron ["<-Uptown-<"] |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 12:40:57 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by William A. Padron on Sat Dec 3 12:33:07 2016. I wonder if R-32s 3352-53 will run in the Borgaschmord Train one of these days. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 12:41:34 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by William A. Padron on Sat Dec 3 12:33:07 2016. Since this rendition of the SAS is a functional extension of the BMT, the R11/R16/R32 would more more appropriate. The R32 never saw the IND until Chrystie. I still think of them as the last BMT cars. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 12:49:47 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 12:41:34 2016. Here, here. I also think of the R-32s as BMT cars because that's where they began their careers. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sat Dec 3 12:58:04 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 10:22:31 2016. IAWTP!chud1. :)...... |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Dec 3 13:08:18 2016, in response to Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sat Dec 3 08:56:36 2016. They'd leave too much smoke behind. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Dec 3 14:07:49 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 12:41:34 2016. The portion on the north side at 63rd Street-Lexington Avenue has BMT chaining codes [G3-G4], but when it makes that left turn upward under 2nd Avenue, it assumes the IND chaining codes [S1-S2]. It could go either way with the SMEE's or R-1/9's.-William A. Padron ["Lex/63"] |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Dec 3 14:24:30 2016, in response to Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sat Dec 3 08:56:36 2016. I think that they should run the train of R 1/9s as the first official train when the 2nd Ave. subway is opened to the public.Mind the gap. The gap between the platform and the car thresholds 7 1/4" more using R 1/9s compared to using R11/R34. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 3 15:04:14 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 12:41:34 2016. no, they were the stock for the AA before Chrystie. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 15:49:09 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by William A. Padron on Sat Dec 3 14:07:49 2016. Yeh and the Dyre Av line has IND track and signal numbering. But as far as anyone is concerned, it's the IRT.The rider doesn't care about "chaining codes". The SAS is an extended BMT service. Someday, we'll call the full length SAS to lower Manhattan the BMT "Northern Division", semi-isolated from the rest of the system. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 15:50:09 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 3 15:04:14 2016. The R32 never saw the AA before Chrystie. They ran on the N, Q, T, and TT. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 3 15:52:57 2016, in response to Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sat Dec 3 08:56:36 2016. I don’t agree. The Second Avenue Subway will have been opened in 2016 or 2017, not 1932. They should run the newest train, R-160s or R-179s.They didn’t drag out old Hi-Vs when the IND opened in 1932, they used the brand new R-1s. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 16:41:37 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 15:49:09 2016. You could say the Three Stooges Division is isolated as well. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 16:44:37 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 15:50:09 2016. I can vouch for that. I rode from 42nd St. to 14th St. every Saturday beginning in the fall of 1967 and prior to November 26, all you ever saw on the AA and Ethel lines was R-1/9s. By December, the R-32s had completely taken over on the AA and D. I had to wonder if the R-38s slept on weekends back then. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 16:45:43 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 3 15:52:57 2016. Nor did they drag out BMT standards, although the Triplexes were still fairly new then.:) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 3 16:52:36 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Sat Dec 3 10:41:04 2016. R44/46 |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 17:11:02 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 16:44:37 2016. I think the R38's were still on the E & F. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 18:38:45 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 12:49:47 2016. Actually, the scuttlebutt was that the R-32s were supposed to be assigned to the IND Queens lines, but they went to the BMT instead. I’m only guessing, but I surmise that the intent was to sent the R-1/9s to the BMT and scrap the ABs and the Ds (which they did anyway). As it turned, both the BMT and IND prewar equipment was in such bad shape that it was decided to send the R-32s to the BMNT first and scrap all the Ds and unrebuilt ABs rather than send the BMT just another bunch of falling apart cars. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 18:47:21 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 18:38:45 2016. Come 1969, I think Eastern Division passengers preferred the Standards over the Arnines. Their hard, fiberglass seats sucked. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 18:55:47 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 16:44:37 2016. A few R-32s started to show up on the D about a month before Chrystie, probably to get the crews used to them. Although there were large numbers of r-32s on the AA/B and D, I wouldn’t say they had completely taken over those line since there were quite a few R-9s on the AA/B into the middle of 1969 and as late as 1971, there were R-9s on the D. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 19:00:08 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 18:55:47 2016. A friend who lived on the Brighton Line commuted over the Manhattan Bridge after Chrystie. He said the Arnines had a hell of a time with its 5% grades. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 19:00:13 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Sand Box John on Sat Dec 3 14:24:30 2016. There shouldn’t be any difference in the car thresholds between the R-1/9s and the R-11 since they are both identical width. If there is any difference at all which I doubt, it would be less than 1 inch. The 7 1/4 difference is more like the spacing between an IRT car and a BMT/IND car. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 19:04:05 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 16:45:43 2016. It would have made no sense whatsoever to use either Hi-Vs or any sort of BMT equipment for the opening of the IND since the iND was strictly a city operation and the other equipment was property of the 2 private transit companies. The only reason the R-1s ended up on the BMT prior to the opening of the IND was so they could be tested under actual operating conditions and any problems addressed and that was done by agreement between the city and the bMT. |
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Posted by FarRock on Sat Dec 3 19:44:07 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by William A. Padron on Sat Dec 3 14:07:49 2016. Unfortunately Second Avenue is under BMT Control..... |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 20:18:37 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by FarRock on Sat Dec 3 19:44:07 2016. With scissor crossover, we could have some interesting overnight or weekend GO's.If they wanted the south side of the Manny B closed, they could route the Q via Montague, OR they reroute via 6th Ave and up to 96th. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 20:28:41 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by FarRock on Sat Dec 3 19:44:07 2016. It wouldn’t have to be any more under BMT control than the Qns Blvd IND considering is how the full SAS will eventually be an IND line anyhow. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 20:32:20 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 20:28:41 2016. If it terminates in Park Row or someplace around there, it will just be a semi-isolated BMT route like the J. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 3 20:47:54 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 17:11:02 2016. When Chrystie opened, or shortly thereafter, about 40 R38's were reassigned to CI, were normally used on the N. The rest of them stayed on the F. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 20:59:10 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 3 20:47:54 2016. None on the E ? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 3 21:17:28 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 20:59:10 2016. No because the F was the long line 24/7 whereas the E was only long in the rush. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Dec 3 22:25:03 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Dec 3 20:47:54 2016. Yep, the 3950s. I attended John Dewey HS during the 1974-75 school year, and when on the athletic field, I would see them passing by on the Sea Beach ROW to/from STL, Darth Vader brakes and all. :) This was in the fall, by the spring of 1975, I didn't see them on the N anymore. Dunno what happened, unless I was just missing them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 3 23:00:11 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 19:04:05 2016. And it similarly makes no sense to use historical equipment for the opening of the SAS. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 4 02:00:28 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 18:55:47 2016. I mentioned earlier that I did ride on a couple of prewar D trains post-Chrystie. Since I was in the city on Saturdays, it would explain why I saw them so infrequently. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 4 02:02:10 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 18:38:45 2016. Wasn't it true that the Triplexes for the most part were still running like tops when they were pulled? |
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Posted by zac on Sun Dec 4 04:37:18 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 18:55:47 2016. There were still R9s on the D when I went to Lehman for a year. That would be 1971. CCYD was still full of them. I think they mostly ran on the CC though. As I recall, it was also the worst of the R9s, probably the R1s and R4. |
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Posted by zac on Sun Dec 4 04:41:10 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 3 18:47:21 2016. I can vouch for that. Those seats were awful.When did they install those hard seats? Were those cars originally fitted with the rattan seats? |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Dec 4 04:55:48 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 20:28:41 2016. BMT calls the shots, they have control, just like the Fox is IND until Church, then BMT to Stillwell. |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Dec 4 04:57:25 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 20:28:41 2016. Most likely the whole line will be under control of the BMT |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 4 07:47:04 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by zac on Sun Dec 4 04:41:10 2016. That was part of the conversion process to their transfer to ENY.I remember them still smelling of enamel paint on the interior. |
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Posted by ren on Sun Dec 4 08:34:51 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 3 12:40:57 2016. What is the Borgaschmord train? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Dec 4 09:06:02 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by ren on Sun Dec 4 08:34:51 2016. another name for the "hogwart express" |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 4 09:40:38 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by randyo on Sat Dec 3 19:04:05 2016. And 381 was part of that test group. The fact that IND tunnels were built to BMT specs was a big plus. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 4 09:41:01 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 3 23:00:11 2016. We can dream, can't we?:) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 4 09:46:17 2016, in response to Re: Run R 1/9s as the first official train when 2nd Ave. subway opens., posted by ren on Sun Dec 4 08:34:51 2016. R40 slant, R42, R38. |
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