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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 15 11:04:21 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jul 15 07:14:05 2016. Given the high elevation of the area, it would have made the most sense being bored. At which point it would be easier to build under private property (the owners would be paid off, but they wouldn't have to demolish anything). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 15 11:08:17 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 14 23:56:44 2016. Despite the virtually complete coverage of the whole city by subway lines, even Staten Island, no line was drawn to Rockaway east of Hammels, which is a major oversight.Also, nothing to the western tip of Coney Island (i.e. Sea Gate), even though that would be useful. And it wouldn't be any more unrealistic than many of these other planned lines. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 15 11:12:03 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jul 15 00:36:53 2016. IKR. Can you imagine?To be fair, some of that is completely and utterly unrealistic. The later IND second system plans could also be called unrealistic by some, but pretty much the whole subway was built in the first 40 years of the 20th century. The Second System would be totally complete if they had kept up the pace for the next 76 years. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jul 15 13:11:38 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 14 21:38:28 2016. Perhaps, they didn't want yard moves interfering with regular "A" service, so they moved the connection to just north of Dyckman St. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jul 15 13:26:51 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 15 11:12:03 2016. We are lucky to have what we have! In May, 1933, during the height of the Depression, funding for the IND Fulton subway ran out. When it finally opened to Rockaway Ave in 1936 it was almost 2 years beyond it's projected opening date. Had the City not bought out the IRT, MER, and the BMT in the 1940 Unification, there would have been money available for some Second System projects. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jul 15 14:52:41 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 15 10:45:31 2016. you are correct. |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Jul 15 16:08:18 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jul 15 13:11:38 2016. Yup. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Fri Jul 15 17:07:51 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 15 11:08:17 2016. Right. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 15 17:22:18 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jul 15 07:14:05 2016. That was pretty much the plan. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sat Jul 16 00:05:02 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 14 21:13:14 2016. What I always wondered about was that the old Hagstrom maps showed the A line extending a bit beyond the station bullet for 207th St., indicating that some extension was contemplated. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Jul 16 01:57:33 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by Italianstallion on Sat Jul 16 00:05:02 2016. maybe, but as you can see, the extension obviously wasn't built. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 16 02:14:44 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by renee gil on Sat Jul 16 01:57:33 2016. No real surprise. At the time, there wasn't much in Riverdale when it was originally proposed. Most of those towers went up in the 1950's and 1960's, and Fieldston was a relatively rich enclave that already had cars.The southern part of the hill was mostly railroad workers for NY Central, the IRT, and various middle class folks living in the few older buildings. The place was actually fairly sparse until the 50's and 60's when all those apartment buildings exploded. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 16 02:18:58 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by renee gil on Sat Jul 16 01:57:33 2016. I would expect that there would have been a stop at 230/231 at the bottom of the hill, and next would be 238/239, then 262/263 for the terminal. As the hill ended up being built, there wouldn't be much for below 238th at all, and that's rather highly populated now.It was truly a bucolic place in the early 50's though. Mostly private homes and a handful of prewar and post war buildings, 5 stories or so. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jul 16 08:36:08 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 15 11:08:17 2016. Wasn't there like a trolley, or an extension of the old Railroad lines (Sea Beach, Cuvler, Brighton) that ran from Coney to Sea Gate? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jul 16 08:41:24 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jul 16 08:36:08 2016. STEAM,THEN GATE CARS,THEN TROLLEY`S |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jul 16 15:21:41 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 16 02:14:44 2016. That's a very accurate history! |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Jul 16 16:33:50 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 16 02:14:44 2016. obviously.... |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 17 09:05:32 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 16 02:18:58 2016. Maybe a stop at 254th. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 17 15:27:06 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions, posted by Michael549 on Wed Oct 17 12:39:01 2007. As the downtown local trains enter the City Hall station you will notice that the tracks sharply move to the left, and then the rightWhy do they do that? It's not to make room for the second set of "express" tracks, as they are already there. And Broadway itself certainly doesn't have an S-curve like that. So why? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 17 15:35:09 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 17 15:27:06 2016. nycsubway.org-Lines-BMT Broadway-Paragraph 4. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jul 17 17:30:00 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Oct 25 17:46:00 2013. "I know that randy,i.ve seen the photos of the workers sitting in the car.the city KNEW of the subway so it was no surprise to the engineers when the workers broke thru the beach subway.now the workers on the other hand is a different story."I've read other claims that no one knew of the Beach's existence prior to its rediscovery. I'm skeptical, because the Beach had been around only 40 years earlier, it's not like it was lost to human memory. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 17 19:18:00 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jul 15 13:11:38 2016. Actually, having the yard leads N/O 207 St station instead of where they are now would be more efficient since there would certainly be sufficient room between the station and the yard for yard moves to be made without interfering with the road. One of the most efficient terminals on the system is N/Lts since it has 2 single Xovers instead of a diamond so that a switch failure on one switch would probably not affect the other. With the yard past the station, trains can be put in and laid up directly from the station without having to go somewhere along the mainline like at 207 St to change ends and access the yard. I noticed over the years that on my civil service promotion tests to both the T/D and Trainmaster titles, the essay question involving an incident on a fictitious line shows a terminal area that bears a very strong resemblance to the N/Lts terminal and yard leads. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 17 19:24:37 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jul 15 13:26:51 2016. Unification eliminated the need for some of the second system lines since the lines that were to be eliminated by the construction of the second system were now under city control. Some of the proposals like the IND takeover of the BMT Culver and Fulton St lines were eventually accomplished. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 17 19:26:54 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jul 15 07:14:05 2016. There are a couple of playgrounds in the area of 230 St that a subway could have been built under without interfering with private property rights. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sun Jul 17 21:58:57 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 17 19:18:00 2016. fictitious line shows a terminal area that bears a very strong resemblance to the N/Lts terminal and yard leads.fictitious line? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 18 07:20:30 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Jul 17 17:30:00 2016. I tend to agree. I'm sure that only 40 years later, a good number of people remembered- especially the engineering types who were planning new routes- just we personally remember service patterns from 40 years ago.Now of course, did every worker digging the BRT tunnel in '13 know about it? Probably not- I'd imagine that many of them were young guys in their 20s, and many were also recent immigrants who knew nothing of the Beach tunnel. Did their foremen tell them when they were getting close to it? Well, doing so would've sure increased safety- but it's possible that in those days, management felt no need to tell low-level laborers what they were up against. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 18 15:09:16 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 17 15:35:09 2016. I don’t know what you mean by “Paragraph 4,” but the description of the City Hall station doesn’t explain why the station bears to the left going S/B but there is a definite reason for it. Up to approximately Chambers St the subway infrastructure is pretty much under the center of Bway, with the tunnel infrastructure being so close to the surface, the tunnel had to bear slightly east so that the stairways from the platform to the street would exit on to the east sidewalk of Bway instead of into the roadway if the line had been built perfectly straight. That is similar to the path of the IND Fulton St Line at ENY which bears north under Truxton Park so that the head house for the station is not in the middle of Fulton St. At that point, the subway infrastructure is so close to the surface that the only way to provide access to it was to have the stairways ascent to what is the sidewalk on ENY Ave just N/O Fulton St. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 18 15:38:21 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by renee gil on Sun Jul 17 21:58:57 2016. In the civil service exams, it is labeled as a “fictitious” line in order to avoid the appearance of favoritism to employees who may be more familiar with certain lines than others. The problem is that employees who are familiar with a line like New Lots or any other line that might be displayed would instantly be able to see the resemblance. |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Jul 18 15:41:15 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions [Randyo] 207th Street Provision, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 18 15:38:21 2016. Alright. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jul 19 16:04:37 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 18 15:09:16 2016. Aha. Thanks. |
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List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Fri Nov 25 11:01:47 2016, in response to Re: Bellmouths and tunnel expansions, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 14 17:19:39 2016. As some of you know, I have been compiling information from posts here and from elsewhere to make a comprehensive list of all of the provisions and alleged provisions on the New York City Subway. My list is here and I would like to hear feedback. If there are any obvious mistakes please point them out, and if you want me to add something, that could be done. References to specific ERA bulletins would be great. I would love to hear your feedback. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 25 11:52:26 2016, in response to List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Nov 25 11:01:47 2016. That's a mighty fine piece of work. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Fri Nov 25 12:10:19 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 25 11:52:26 2016. Thank you. However, the credit should go to the users on subchat who actually took the time to look through the system to find the bellmouths, and to research them. It is a lot easier for me as I can just search on the internet and find the information.Is there anything that should be fixed or added? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 25 12:27:20 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Nov 25 12:10:19 2016. I bookmarked your post and look forward to reading it a little later on. Its a substantial body of work and deserves more than a cursory review. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 25 13:32:59 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Nov 25 12:10:19 2016. The Nevin Street one. The lower platform had been constructed for possible eastbound 3rd Ave el trains coming off of the southern tracks of the Manhattan bridge. The 3rd Ave el, north of Canal St, would have been rebuilt for steel subway cars. Manhattan bound trains would have turned off just west of the station, on what is now the northbound local. There was a bellmouth for this bridge bound service, but I don't know if it is still visible (Tunnelrat might know this!). The original plans also included plans for stairways up to the BRT's Fulton St and 5th Ave els at Fulton & Flatbush stations. This proposal was made on May 26th, 1908. A BRT proposal to use the southern tracks to connect with the NYC Deptartment of Bridges unused Chambers St station was submitted a month earlier. Both proposals were turned down. (Source: RAPID TRANSIT in BROOKLYN by Joseph Cunningham and Leonard Dehart). |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Fri Nov 25 14:00:30 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 25 13:32:59 2016. Thank you. I will add this in. I really need to get that book! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 25 15:35:21 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Nov 25 14:00:30 2016. Good luck with that! My original Brooklyn one fell apart and it cost me $160 to replace it. Luckily, my seller also had the IRT and IND companion volumes. He was representing an estate sale and had all three. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Fri Nov 25 15:43:00 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Nov 25 12:10:19 2016. The Staten Island branch at 7th Ave doesn't make any sense. Look at the 1939 map, it would have branched in the vicinity of the Fort Hamilton Parkway line, and run down Fort Hamilton Parkway and 10th Ave to 86th St. A branch of that would have run under Senator St and I think used the old BMT alignment for the tunnel to Staten Island. The Proposed expansion of the New York City Subway article on Wikipedia has some more information and sources. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Nov 25 15:46:34 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 25 13:32:59 2016. iirc no bellmouth for manhattan service,just missing girders wher it was supposed to turn off. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 25 16:25:36 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 25 13:32:59 2016. Another one: "There are bellmouths just west of the Liberty Ave station". The turnouts were to continue part of the route east under Jamaica Ave, but had nothing to do with a Jamaica Ave subway or a connection to the el. The Brooklyn Eagle article that I read had 2 tracks going under Jamaica Ave, Ridgewood Ave, Force Tube Ave, and Conduit Ave to the LIRR Rockaway Line. By the way, the other tracks were to have made a diagonal under private property from Jamaica/Pennsylvania Aves to New Jersey/Liberty Aves. From there, that line would have continued under Liberty Ave (and not Pitkin!) to connect with the Liberty Ave extension of the Fulton St el. Sometime in the early 1930's the routes were consolidated into the present 4 track line under Pennsylvania and Pitkin Aves. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 25 16:44:27 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 25 13:32:59 2016. Correction: 3rd Ave el trains coming off of the nothern set of tracks on the Manhattan Bridge. The BMT wanted the southern set for service to the unused Chambers St station. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 25 17:35:03 2016, in response to List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Nov 25 11:01:47 2016. Do you want to include that the Jamaica El was built with room for a center express track that was never built? |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Nov 25 19:53:22 2016, in response to List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Nov 25 11:01:47 2016. Pretty interesting.I didn't know about the possibility of a Fresh Pond/Myrtle station being built. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 25 21:32:54 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 25 17:35:03 2016. The Jamaica el was built, as is, with no express tracks or any express stations, east of Alabama Ave and Cypress Hills. The ramp just west of the Alabama Ave station was put there for future expansion. Apparently, the area was not too thickly settled to merit an express track, at the time. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Nov 25 21:47:44 2016, in response to List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Nov 25 11:01:47 2016. No. I am not going to do it. It's a dirty job, and someone else will have to do it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 26 11:33:04 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 25 21:32:54 2016. Yes. But there is clearly provision for a future express track. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 26 13:24:32 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 26 11:33:04 2016. That's exactly what the Brooklyn Eagle said when the Jamaica el first opened as far as 111th Street! |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sat Nov 26 18:53:14 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 25 17:35:03 2016. How could I forget that? I did some research that a few months back. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sat Nov 26 18:54:21 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 25 16:25:36 2016. I heard that from here. That will be corrected when I have time. Thank you. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sat Nov 26 18:54:30 2016, in response to Re: List of New York City Subway Bellmouths and provisions, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 25 16:44:27 2016. That will be corrected. |
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