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WMATA operator refuses to move train |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 26 13:02:18 2016 His shift was over |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 26 13:16:57 2016, in response to WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 26 13:02:18 2016. Like a RR worker "outlawing" at 12 hours.Different rules must apply here. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Oct 26 14:30:10 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 26 13:16:57 2016. I was thinking the same thing. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Oct 26 14:58:03 2016, in response to WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 26 13:02:18 2016. If he "outlawed" as in worked the maximum allowable hours in a 24hr period, informed the supervisor of that, and still moved the train & there was an incident, they'd hang his ass out to dry. The supervisor who ordered him to make the move might go down too. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Oct 26 16:47:35 2016, in response to WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 26 13:02:18 2016. I take a different root than the other replies, I blame institutional racism. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Oct 26 21:55:43 2016, in response to WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 26 13:02:18 2016. Totally agree. Hours-of-Service is a very serious business. Even on our class III short line tourist RR we take that very seriously.If that operator did really time out, his/her refusal to move the train was totally by the book. Kudos to him/her. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Oct 26 22:52:38 2016, in response to WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 26 13:02:18 2016. Dead on hours and shift being over are two different things.Sound to me like the operator refused operate the train because he didn't want to work beyond the time he was scheduled to work. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 26 23:12:30 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Oct 26 22:52:38 2016. Especially since if hours of service limits are close to being reached, he is supposed to call in advance on the radio to his control center, or notify his dispatcher before he started the move.NYCT has strict limits on this issue. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Oct 27 06:24:28 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 26 23:12:30 2016. IAWTP. |
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Posted by MR RT on Thu Oct 27 10:49:43 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 26 13:16:57 2016. When a operator goes over 12 hours, management will try to blame him/her for it.I have a friend at PATH who almost went beyond 12 hours one night because something happened during his extra shift that delayed him. He was concerned ... I'll not say more about it. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 27 11:27:07 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by MR RT on Thu Oct 27 10:49:43 2016. PATH is FRA, it is a little different. But honestly, we don't have a full picture of what happened. What are WMATA rules on this subject? Were they going to be paid for the extra time? No hourly worker can be reasonably expected to work for free as a general rule. Maybe the worker has somewhere to be, like picking up a child at a school and can not work late. Maybe a supervisor is a by the book a-hole who likes to point out every rule no matter how trivial, and got it paid back. Maybe the worker is a "problem child" who lives to cause problems and should be weeded out. Truth is, we don't know and should probably reserve judgement until we know more. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Oct 27 15:15:41 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by MR RT on Thu Oct 27 10:49:43 2016. 12 Hours??WMATA is not FRA it is governed by DOT, what 12 hours are you referring too? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 27 15:15:52 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 27 11:27:07 2016. As far as workers having somewhere to be, upon hiring, employees in certain fields like transportation are advised that they may be required to work overtime due to emergencies and other unforeseen conditions so that excuse won’t fly. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 27 16:19:34 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 27 15:15:52 2016. It depends on the agency and the circumstance. Everyone should respect true emergency situations. Supervisors or managers are known to create emergencies through their own ineptitude or to browbeat people into fixing a situation that should not have occured in the first place. You need to know your people and what there situations are to be an effective manager. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 19:15:12 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Oct 27 15:15:41 2016. :) |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 27 19:15:22 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by MR RT on Thu Oct 27 10:49:43 2016. Lol |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Oct 27 23:59:56 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Oct 26 21:55:43 2016. It depends with NYCT you are supposed advice supervision when your hours of service is about to be up at least an hr or two bf the fact. At that point supervision can make plans to relieve you bc esp when there's a change in shift with dispatchers sometimes they just don't know. I wonder if the T/O did in fact reach his hrs of service limit if he or she did this. If so then its definetly on supervision and don't fault the T/O one bit. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 28 03:09:15 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by pragmatist on Thu Oct 27 11:27:07 2016. Could it simply be he felt too tired to operate the train? It's management's fail for not having relief in position. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Oct 28 07:27:33 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 28 03:09:15 2016. That is part of why I thought it was unfair to take sides/positions without knowing the whole story. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Oct 28 07:40:22 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Oct 26 22:52:38 2016. The news presented it that way. But without a complete and fair investigation, we don't know that. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 28 13:04:43 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Oct 27 23:59:56 2016. Wow. :(You'd THINK that "stupidvision" would already know when a trick was going to head past the schedule - after all, they created the job numbers and times for folks to bid on in the first place, and they're already in the screw office computers in case of a no-show. I'd gladly throw a couple of managers in the cab in that case and see how many homeballs they can hit. (grin) |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Oct 29 11:39:43 2016, in response to Re: WMATA operator refuses to move train, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Oct 27 15:15:41 2016. This NTSB report (scroll down to page 43) states that the FTA does not have an hours of service regulation and that the FRA, FAA and FMCSA do. The report criticizes Metro for allowing train operators to work up to 16 hours with only 8 hours rest time between shifts. |
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