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Re: It's coming... |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 18 06:23:25 2016, in response to It's coming..., posted by K. Trout on Tue Oct 18 00:57:53 2016. (W)ow !Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Oct 18 11:04:27 2016, in response to It's coming..., posted by K. Trout on Tue Oct 18 00:57:53 2016. Signs all over the 7th Avenue and Flushing line platforms also have the W showing. Maps dated November 2016 are also being installed. I saw one at 96th Street. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 18 15:09:39 2016, in response to Re: It's coming..., posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 18 06:23:25 2016. Wunderbar.If I spelt it right! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 18 15:21:00 2016, in response to Re: It's coming..., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 18 15:09:39 2016. You did. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 18 17:31:23 2016, in response to Re: It's coming..., posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 18 06:23:25 2016. It was basically the reverse of this method in 2005 that told me that the #9 was being eliminated....I noticed that black stickers had been placed over many of the 9 bullets n stations even before a public announcement was made. |
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Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 18 17:40:09 2016, in response to It's coming..., posted by K. Trout on Tue Oct 18 00:57:53 2016. Observed just today that signs for this service have been placed on the center track at Whitehall Street.I wonder how needed this service really is, though. As I see, the vast majority of riders late night customers will only ride between Whitehall and 36th- which will be covered by the N. The few folks riding further south can switch for the R at 36th. Yes, I know it's nice for these folks to not have to make a switch. But if they're going north of Whitehall, as probably most will, they'll have to, anyway. So I wonder if this plan is really cost-effective. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 18 18:35:52 2016, in response to Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 18 17:40:09 2016. It is productive for those Bay Ridge passengers who would be boarding at Jay/Metrotech, transferring from the D at Dekalb or the IRT at Barclay. When I change from the late night N or D at either 36 or 59, there is a large number of passengers waiting for the R shuttle many of whom probably got on at Jay or Barclay. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Oct 18 19:02:18 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 18 18:35:52 2016. Transferring multiple times on 20 min headway with no timed connections can be a nightmare. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Oct 18 19:05:35 2016, in response to Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 18 17:40:09 2016. Sure, the R extension won't give many direct rides, but it will change lots of 3 seat rides into 2 seat rides. Instead of only having connections to the D and N, the R will connect to the A, D, F, G, N, Q, 1, 2, and 4.That is a big change! |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 18 20:55:10 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by R30A on Tue Oct 18 19:05:35 2016. Now that the "R" extension will cover 4th Ave, brooklyn, will the "N" run express, between 59th St-Pacific St? |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by Seabeach53 on Tue Oct 18 23:43:17 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 18 20:55:10 2016. No W signage yet... |
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Posted by K. Trout on Wed Oct 19 01:42:28 2016, in response to Re: It's coming..., posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 18 17:31:23 2016. Some of those stickers remain to this day! |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by K. Trout on Wed Oct 19 01:46:34 2016, in response to Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 18 17:40:09 2016. I saw a sign for the new late-night R being installed at Prospect Av N/B tonight. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 19 02:27:49 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Oct 18 20:55:10 2016. The N will remain local in Brooklyn during the midnight hours when the R terminates at Whitehall.The Q will remain local in Manhattan during the midnight hours when it starts terminating at 96th. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 19 07:40:04 2016, in response to Re: It's coming..., posted by K. Trout on Wed Oct 19 01:42:28 2016. Yeah, I saw one recently- I just can't remember where!! I wonder how may W signs are simply covered with a sticker that could be removed? Very few, I think. I haven't seen any in Manhattan in several years, and I haven't been to Astoria since '14. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 19 07:46:13 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 18 18:35:52 2016. Ok then, I guess if as you recount, a large number of people ware waiting for the R shuttle, then maybe extending it is a good idea...But in that case, why not extend it to 34th or 42nd? (I almost suggested 57th, but I just remembered that those center tracks won't be available for turning trains much longer!). I'm sure there would be usage in SoHo, Union Square, and Midtown. The Whitehall area is still a bit ghostly late at night. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 19 07:46:56 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by R30A on Tue Oct 18 19:05:35 2016. Got it now. Thanks. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Oct 19 09:28:11 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by K. Trout on Wed Oct 19 01:46:34 2016. They're up at Jay Street. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 19 14:28:45 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 19 07:46:13 2016. Understood but the jobs are already picked for the R to go to Whitehall on the midnight.Pity the midnight crews if the ever have to do 2 to midtown and 1 to CTL.! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 19 14:36:13 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 19 02:27:49 2016. So the D will run express in Brooklyn at night? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Oct 19 15:20:12 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 19 14:36:13 2016. I hope so! Still don't understand why the "N" can't run express on 4th Ave late nights. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 15:37:27 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 19 14:28:45 2016. That probably happened prior to Nov 1967 when the midnight RR went to 57 and daytime RR went to Ctl. The very early midnight runs went to 57 but the later ones probably did 2 shorts and a long. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 15:41:07 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Oct 19 15:20:12 2016. The problem with the N running exp all the way is that there are R layups between 36 and 59 on the S/B tk and immediately post PM rush, those layups stack on the N/B exp tk in the same area until they are completely swung to the S/B tk. I would be extremely doubtful that midnight Ds would run exp since the exp tks are needed for overnight work train and transfer moves. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Oct 19 16:39:20 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 19 14:36:13 2016. Don't think so. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 19 18:10:09 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by R30A on Wed Oct 19 16:39:20 2016. So 4th Avenue will have three locals? That is way too much service. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 18:43:21 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 19 18:10:09 2016. However with the transfer to the F at 9 St and the different branches served by the 3 locals, coupled with the 20 min midnight headways it makes sense to have all 3 services operating lcl. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Oct 19 19:29:28 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Oct 19 18:10:09 2016. No it is not. Transfers are inconsistent during late nights and trains don't operate as scheduled. The express tracks are not available for service anyway. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Oct 19 19:36:37 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 15:41:07 2016. And for newcomers, since the R doesn't have a yard at its Brooklyn terminal, the express tracks are the only convenient place to stash trains around there. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 19 19:44:05 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 15:41:07 2016. The running time difference between an express and local is about 5 minutes. When there is 20 minute intervals with sloopy connections, it is more of a disadvantage than advantage to have expresses. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 20:25:47 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Oct 19 19:36:37 2016. Which is why Ctl as north terminal of the R is a better idea than returning it to Astoria as some on this forum have suggested. Imagine how many layup spaces would be needed if most of the layups were in Bkln or the amount of congestion there would be N/O 36 St if all the layups had to be turned back to either 36 St Yd or CI Yd. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by K. Trout on Wed Oct 19 22:20:20 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Oct 19 09:28:11 2016. Also at DeKalb. The S/B side there says only "R to Bay Ridge-95th St", does anyone know if the TA has stopped using "at all times" in such scenarios? |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Oct 19 22:37:17 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by K. Trout on Wed Oct 19 22:20:20 2016. The M going towards Metro on the Myrtle El just says "to Middle Village Metropolitan avr" or some such wording. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Oct 20 00:09:51 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Oct 19 15:20:12 2016. Work Trains. They let Work Trains have the express tracks on the 4th ave line going to and from 38th street yd on the midnight hrs until 5 something. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Oct 20 03:40:06 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 20:25:47 2016. I remember in the 1970's that along many of the subway lines outside of the rush hours plenty of trains were stored along the "middle tracks" of the elevated sections of the line. Again this was BEFORE the reduction in the number and types of subway cars, during the great graffiti wars, and before the memory of most young-ins.I bring this up, because in those days, I could easily believe that many RR trains could easily have been stored on the Fourth Avenue express tracks, the layup area at City Hall, and along the middle track in Astoria, and maybe a few at Coney Island. I remember plenty of trains stored along the #6 middle track both above and below the Parkchester station. Plenty of #2, #4 and #5 trains were also placed at certain sections of the middle tracks in the past in the 1970's or before. --- I of course agree that the situation has changed over the decades, and I'm not suggesting that certain practices return. Mike |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 20 06:09:51 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Michael549 on Thu Oct 20 03:40:06 2016. The practice has never really been abandoned. The middle track on Liberty Ave. is always crammed with trains. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 20 08:09:09 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 18:43:21 2016. The transfer to the F at 9th Street is useless. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 20 17:01:08 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 15:41:07 2016. Okay, so the "N" will not run express north of 36th St, either? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 20 18:18:03 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 20 17:01:08 2016. The N will run local in Brooklyn. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Thu Oct 20 23:05:55 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Oct 19 19:36:37 2016. I recall |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Oct 21 07:06:39 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by K. Trout on Wed Oct 19 22:20:20 2016. To be precise, the wording was just "all times". There was no "at".AT least AT no time recently :) |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 21 13:52:47 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 20 17:01:08 2016. It would’t make sense to run the N express N/O 36 St since the small difference in running time wouldn’t be worth the additional switching move at 36 St. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 21 14:39:29 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by italianguyinsi on Thu Oct 20 23:05:55 2016. No argument there. The problem is that in order for a layup to get from 95 St to 36 St Yd, a train has to go north to 36 St Xover to the exp tk (which can also be done at 59 St), relay on the N/B exp tk N/O the station Xover to the S/B exp tk and then over the West End tks to 9 Av middle change ends again to get into 36 Sy Yd. That requires blocking the N/B exp tk during the time that it takes to change ends N/O 36 St and to minimize the time blocking the track, providing an additional T/O to double end the move. The only other location that requires a similar move is a layup from Flatbush to N/Lts Yd but in that case, the changing ends can be done in the Nevins St spur, avoiding blocking any mainline tracks. Midday layups on the R can be accommodated by short turning the layups at 36 St allowing the train to be moved directly to 9 Av middle and not block the mainline, something that can’t be done in the PM since all service is needed through to 95 St. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Fri Oct 21 16:13:23 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Oct 19 09:28:11 2016. Posters are up along 4th Ave advertising the upcoming changes in the Broadway line....Nice looking poster too...... |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 21 16:35:07 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Oct 19 15:20:12 2016. Late at night, I greatly prefer having more frequent service over express service. For those people where the lines overlap, I think they'll appreciate it too. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 21 16:36:59 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Michael549 on Thu Oct 20 03:40:06 2016. Yeah, I remember seeing EE trains laid up at Canal St. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Oct 21 17:29:27 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Fri Oct 21 16:13:23 2016. There's one at Newkirk Plaza I saw this morning."The W returns to Broadway with the N, Q and R in new starring roles!" |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Oct 21 17:30:57 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by K. Trout on Wed Oct 19 22:20:20 2016. Might just be arbitrary. Some new signs are produced with a lighter weight of Helvetica than normal. |
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St [Poster Image] |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Fri Oct 21 18:02:17 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Oct 21 17:29:27 2016. 
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Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St [Poster Image] |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 21 18:12:03 2016, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St [Poster Image], posted by Union Tpke on Fri Oct 21 18:02:17 2016. Very clever advertising. |
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