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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 31 17:38:50 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 31 16:21:54 2016. If the 2 min hold is written into the normal timetable, then passengers have no excuse for being late since they can always gave on a train ahead. Considering the way that schedules are made which take into account the merges with other lines, if all crews were through crews and the 2 min hold eliminated, the trains would depart 2 min later from 205 St so the departure time from Bed Pk would be the same anyhow. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 31 20:56:13 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 31 17:38:50 2016. False.The people would benefit from leaving 205th 2 minutes later. That would be two minutes they would get back in their lives. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 31 21:37:49 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 30 11:32:23 2016. "A rare event."Its unusual but not rare. As an example, I've been on several TS bound #7 in the AM rush over the years & we'd go direct from QBP to Grand Central to make up time & to turn back equiptment in order to fill scheduling gaps. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 1 18:35:10 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 31 20:56:13 2016. If 2 min means that must then those people need to get a life. By the way, there are also other locations than Bed Pk where holds are built into the timetable in order to make connections with the various lines that each line merges with, so deal with it. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 1 18:39:08 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 1 18:35:10 2016. Right. Two minutes a day, 5 days a week, for your entire life, means nothing.Holds due to mergers can't always be avoided. This one can, with a moderate capital investment. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 1 21:03:57 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 30 08:53:40 2016. If they wanted to, they could turn left at Webster Ave., either under the street itself, or enough to just miss the northwest corner of the school. I certainly don't expect it to happen in my lifetime. But it would be really something if, about 2033, they decided to utilize provisions that had been made a century earlier. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 2 10:17:35 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 1 18:39:08 2016. Those two minutes are part of the schedule. Tough luck. If you leave early, you will just have to wait at the merge place.ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 2 11:24:42 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 1 18:35:10 2016. The New York area already has the longest commute times in the country. The subway is already slow and people already have to live far away from their jobs due to astronomically high land values. Those two minutes a day, twice a day, five days a week add up. Especially after 80 years. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 2 12:32:15 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 2 10:17:35 2016. Customer-hostile response.Anything that saves customers time should be considered. It might be infeasible, in which case that's the end of the story. But no one here says it's infeasible. They just say, why bother? That's not an acceptable answer. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 2 12:35:42 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 2 11:24:42 2016. Another thought. Lots of people here rant about timers and the litigation-averse culture that has caused them to come into being.Well, so what? Let the passengers spend another 2 minutes on the train. No big deal, right? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 2 15:54:47 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 2 12:32:15 2016. What would save time is getting rid of useless grade time signals and putting field shunting back in the trains to allow them to go faster. Even in places w/o timers but with regular speed limit signs, many of which have been downgraded, TSS's are out there all the time with radar guns. Track dept. has requested timers in spots so trains won't "bounce" off the diamonds so fast to increase the life of the infastructure. For example Broad Channel and 36/4. In my 34 years of moving trains, the railroad got slower by the day.Ever ride the city lines in Philadelphia? The Broad St. and Market/Frankford are true rapid transit. And you're only concerned 2 minutes for a crew change at Bedford Park which has been there for decades. As noted, if the crew facility was at 205, the trains would leave 2 minutes later!!!! |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 2 16:40:28 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 2 15:54:47 2016. And you're only concerned 2 minutes for a crew change at Bedford Park which has been there for decades.I never said that. That happens to be the topic of this thread. I happen to believe any problem with the system should be considered to see if there is a cost-effective way to get rid of it. Not one person here has claimed that the capital investment for a crew room at 205th exceeds the benefit. If someone with actual facts were to say that, it would be carry a lot more weight than people just saying "suck it up." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 2 18:14:47 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 2 12:35:42 2016. PWN3D! |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Sep 2 18:37:42 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 31 00:17:33 2016. Or they could make it routine that crews report to BPB, but then ride a northbound train to 205th St. where they take over a southbound D starting from its first stop. This is apparently done on occasion, but why not make it the norm? Then the only people spending extra time because of the situation there would be TA employees. Except that they'd be on the clock, while most commuters who are now delayed by what we're talking about aren't. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 2 19:32:00 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 2 15:54:47 2016. That two minutes has been there ever since 205 opened. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Sun Sep 4 00:44:43 2016, in response to (Lion) Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 31 17:08:59 2016. And an unused station. Tunnel Rat can confirm.Vader |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 8 15:28:19 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 2 19:32:00 2016. Actually, the 2 min was not there in the very beginning since the R-1/9s did not require a BIE for brake handle removal when the M/M changed. With the increase in dwell time required by the BIE and recharge when M/M remove their brake handles, the 2 min hold was included in the timetable since it takes at least 1 min for a SMEE and newer train to recharge after a BIE. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 8 15:36:41 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 1 21:03:57 2016. It would not be the first time that a provision for a proposed extension was modified away from the original plans. A perfect example is the Archer Av extension of the E line which was originally intended to proceed straight down Van Wyck Blvd to an area somewhat near where Kennedy Airport is today. It was modified to align with the current Archer Av Line. The original plans for the IRT Nostrand Av Line called for it to be extended straight down Nostrand Av to Emmons Av, but the expansion plans of the 1970s, changed it so that the tracks would have turned slightly east and under Flatbush Av to Kings Plaza. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 8 15:53:46 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 30 08:53:40 2016. That means nothing. It wasn't going to happen anyway. And if it were to happen, they'd tear down the school. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 8 15:59:17 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Sep 2 18:37:42 2016. The problem with doing that as a “normal” operation is that with the number of jobs running into overtime, it could make some of the runs longer than the maximum limit allowed. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Thu Sep 8 20:38:49 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Aug 30 19:19:01 2016. If the line is deep enough, one could underpin the existing apartment buildings on the north end of 205 instead of tearing anything down; in this case, the extension curves under Webster instead of under/through Bronx Park (if this is possible, the curve need not start at the end of existing construction, but at a point west of there). The line could emerge on a viaduct north of 207, run above the BRP and the Bronx River (and hence avoiding tunneling under said River), and via Gun Hill Rd/Bartow Ave to Co-op City. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Sep 9 01:09:01 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Sep 8 20:38:49 2016. They will never build such a thing. The most there might ever be is one more stop, and even that is most unlikely. I was thinking an underground line to Gun Hill and White Plains, but if the line did come above ground, might it take over the former lower level of the station there, the trackways that had been used by the Third Avenue El? Is the structure strong enough to hold ten-car trains of B division cars there? Actually, much of the steelwork there has been removed, and would have to be rebuilt if they decided to do that. |
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Posted by jrf2 on Fri Sep 9 10:33:36 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 8 15:28:19 2016. Is there a reason that the operator leaving the train can't leave his brake handle in and the one taking over gives their break handle? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 9 17:11:46 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by jrf2 on Fri Sep 9 10:33:36 2016. Although I don’t believe it is done any more, at one time the entire set of M/M’s handles had matching numbers stamped in them that were registered to the individual M/M so they couldn’t just swap handles. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Sat Sep 10 00:45:55 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Sep 9 01:09:01 2016. I don't think B division stock is taller than A division stock, so I think the D extension viaduct could fit beneath the existing Gun Hill/WPR station without issue (aside from the construction required, of course).While there is certainly no talk of such an extension actually happening, if they ever propose it, I'd be surprised if they didn't go for Co-op. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 10 15:05:19 2016, in response to Re: Why no (D) jobs out of 205 St?, posted by Concourse Express on Sat Sep 10 00:45:55 2016. Actually, Manhattan el stock was a bit taller than subway equipment so a B division car could fit if the rest of the structure could be modified. It would probably make no sense to do that since so much modification would be required that an entirely new structure perpendicular to the WPRd structure would probably be no more expensive. |
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