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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 26 18:41:59 2016 I'm surprised no one else spotted this:Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) — Amtrak is receiving a $2.45 billion loan from the federal government to buy new trains, upgrade tracks and make platform improvements along the busy Northeast corridor, the largest such loan ever by the Department of Transportation, officials announced Friday. Vice President Joe Biden, a champion of Amtrak who rode the corridor's trains almost daily during his more than three decades in the Senate, joined Amtrak officials and deputy transportation secretary Victor Mendez in making the announcement at the Wilmington, Delaware, station named for Biden. "You can't make this country work without rail ... This is a really, really sound investment, Biden said. Terms of the loan were not immediately available, but Amtrak said the money would be repaid through growth in revenues from Northeast Corridor operations. "We're making the most significant investment in passenger rail that's ever been made in this country," said Amtrak board chairman Anthony Coscia. The loan includes more than $2 billion for 28 new trains that are to replace 23 nearing the end of their useful service life. It also includes $170 million for facility improvements in New York, Washington and Maryland, and $90 million for safety improvements and $80 million for track infrastructure. The new trains will initially travel at speeds of up to 160 mph but will be capable of traveling up to 186 mph to take advantage of future track improvements. The first next-generation train is scheduled to enter service in 2021, with the rest entering service, and the current fleet retired by the end of 2022. "The future of Amtrak travel starts today," said president and CEO Joseph Boardman. U.S. Sen. Chris Coons, who holds the seat once occupied by Biden and is himself a frequent Amtrak rider, said the timing of the new funding is good. "Amtrak just had a remarkable year," said Coons, citing record ridership numbers. "Amtrak is on terrific, strong and solid footing going forward." But Coons, Biden and other officials noted that the Amtrak system is still facing a $7 billion backlog in maintenance needs. "Why in this country are we so boneheaded to not understand the essential value of a rail system that's modern throughout the whole country?" Biden asked, wondering why Amtrak should have to rely on a loan to help build and maintain a rail system on par with those in Europe and Asia. "Why do we argue about whether or not it makes sense?" Biden said the population along the Northeast Corridor is expected to grow by 58 million by 2040. "If we don't plan this now, what's going to happen?" said Biden, adding that a modern rail system is not only crucial for commerce, but for national security. Biden also noted that he had ridden more than 2 million miles on Amtrak, making close friendships throughout the years with many Amtrak employees. "These men and women have become my family," said Biden, who briefly became emotional at Friday's event. The new trains will be built by Alstom — which has sold more than 1,100 high-speed trains around the world — at facilities in New York. Edward Wytkind, president of the Transportation Trades Department, AFL-CIO, welcomed the announcement, calling it a victory for working people and the U.S. economy. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 19:07:24 2016, in response to Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 26 18:41:59 2016. okay, jobs for upstate (and 29 others), mostly domestic parts (truck castings???), Acela IIs or whatever the marketing wage wastes come up with 9Avelia Liberty on the video, great. When do we get single level cars for non Acela services? And what is CAF doing on the Viewliners? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 26 19:17:48 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 19:07:24 2016. I have read on Trainorders.com from posters who have talked to LSL diner crews that will be no CAF diners deliveries until November, and then they must be deadheaded around for 3 more months for testing and crew training before they are placed into official use. Until then, the LSL gets the current shitty Amfleet-II dinette subbing for the real diner. (There are only 12 Heritage diners left in use).One can hope that when Moorman replaces that Boardman idiot, Amtrak will be more forthcoming. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Aug 26 19:30:25 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 19:07:24 2016. Agreed. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 19:30:55 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 26 19:17:48 2016. yeah, I lurk there. My question was more rhetorical/polemical as I don't see the Acelas as "nearing end of..." given the much greater age/mileage on the Amfleet, heritage (very few of which should have been they scrapped as they were still serviceable...) and Horizon cars. As to the "Silver starvation" and the AmDinettes, I am remindedof SP's notorious Automat cars which were on Extra Fare trains--Sunset Ltd, Golden State, City of SF. Even the ICC decided they were out of line. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 26 19:42:31 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 19:30:55 2016. We don't know what the motivation was with the Silver Starvation: Boardman's genuflecting to John Mica, or covering up structural issues with Heritage diners.I suppose Acelas could become Regional sets on equipment cycles that see nether Springfield nor Virginia, but there are not many of those, or Keystones, assuming Penn-DOT would pay for the equipment lease and high maintenance costs. They'd also delete the Bistro car from the consist and probably make it run with one power unit on line. |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Fri Aug 26 20:22:55 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 19:07:24 2016. truck castings???Dude, it's 2016. That shit was obsolete 40 years ago. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 26 20:26:15 2016, in response to Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 26 18:41:59 2016. I'm surprised no one else spotted thisYou always express this manner of "surprise". Just post the darn thing; after all, it's from today. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Aug 26 20:36:48 2016, in response to Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 26 18:41:59 2016. It'd be a massive mistake to scrap the current Acela fleet in 2022. I'd have them run in regional service as a sort of middle between regional and Acela.Regional: all stop services/Keystones w/ Amfleets. Deeply discounted to compete w/ buses. Metroliner 2.0: moderate stop services w/ First gen Acelas (priced like buisness class regional seats). Acela: Express service with Second Gen Acelas |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 26 20:49:54 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Aug 26 20:36:48 2016. It'd be a massive mistake to scrap the current Acela fleet in 2022Agreed, but Amtrak's made mistakes of that magnitude before without having to face consequences, e.g. the P30CHs and SDP40Fs. I'd have them run in regional service as a sort of middle between regional and Acela Not feasible; cannot use low-platform stations. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 26 20:52:27 2016, in response to Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 26 18:41:59 2016. BUT...If Trump gets the job next January, what is his position on Amtrak help/intercity rail improvements?? Republican mindset was always to curb spending. Amtrak has been in their crosshairs since Reagan. I haven't heard anything about Trumps proposals on what he would deem necessary as far as any ongoing or increasing funding for it. Did I miss something?? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 26 20:54:13 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 26 20:49:54 2016. The SDP40F's were produced so as to be convertible into freight units should Amtrak have folded up up in 1975, as many expected. Most were donors to the F40PH2. The ATSF did get a number of SDP40F's, only recently all retired.As for the Pooches - they were GE, what do you expect ? They were garbage. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 20:56:37 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by nasadowsk on Fri Aug 26 20:22:55 2016. excuse me,are you claiming that ALL components of trucks are assembled from bar steel? LFM is no longer making truck frames for EMD, nor the others for GE, Siemens, MPI? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 26 20:56:40 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 26 20:52:27 2016. All Trump mentions is infrastructure in general and sometimes HSR. But that does not necessarily mean Amtrak gets anything, maybe just more AAF's (Florida model).He is also totally unpredictable. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 20:58:53 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 26 20:49:54 2016. low platforms can be fixed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 26 21:00:33 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 20:58:53 2016. Still can't go to Springfield or Virginia. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 21:00:41 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 26 20:52:27 2016. When the Kochs explain that Amtrak fees are welfare for the RRs, the Reps will fall in line. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 21:05:41 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Aug 26 20:36:48 2016. too rational for NEC Joe. Will be interesting to see what Moorman does. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 21:06:55 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Aug 26 20:36:48 2016. too rational for NEC Joe. Will be interesting to see what Moorman does. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Aug 26 21:38:32 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 26 21:00:33 2016. No need. Springfield can be made a shuttle service to New Haven, and the Virgina runs aren't that much of the NEC schedule. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 26 21:40:11 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 20:58:53 2016. Oh please. Not even the federal government is going to raise low platforms to high for the sake of a few trains per day. Frankly, they should have been all converted to low, so that Talgo-type trains could have been the NEC's standard high-speed train. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 21:53:28 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 26 21:40:11 2016. you and I will never agree about that, but perhaps I could ask you to go outy to "Cascadia" and ride the Talgo stuff. Who knows, enough mileage of rough rides might change your mind. As to the train frequency between DC and Richmond, Iam in the build it and they will come camp. SP had very few trains linking Sacramento top the Bay Area; with Capitol Corridor service we have many andthey don't run empty. And, of course, if the wires went up then the time wasting engine changes in DC would become history. (and not by using the dual mode behemoths) |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Aug 26 22:44:00 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 21:53:28 2016. I've done a number of rides on the Amtrak Cascades and the one adjective would not use to describe them is "rough". |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 23:52:47 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by WillD on Fri Aug 26 22:44:00 2016. well, even some current admirers admit that pre CWRR and track manicuring the Eugene to Portland (only segment I use) was rough. Most recent trip, I rode NB on the Coast Starlight on a Saturday and a Cascade SB Tuesday for a direct comparison. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 27 00:57:28 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 26 19:42:31 2016. They'd be great for Keystones, they're already double ended. Sell the first class seats as business and the rest as coach.Makes me think of what the Empire Corridor would have had if the RTL-3 renovations weren't mechanically crap... |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Aug 27 02:17:13 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 27 00:57:28 2016. or if NYS were smart enough to put up wires. at least as far as Rensalaer. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 27 05:49:38 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Aug 27 02:17:13 2016. Why would they do that? Twelve trains a day in each direction (if that) is nowhere nearly enough to justify electrification. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 27 05:55:54 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 27 00:57:28 2016. They'd be great for Keystones, they're already double endedNo, they'd be useless as Keystones, unless all stops at the SEPTA stations outside 30th Street are eliminated. They could also use only two tracks at Harrisburg. And why bother limiting them to 125 mph, as has been done through most of their careers anyhow? It'd be reminiscent of the Metroliner MU sunset as "Capitoliners". Makes me think of what the Empire Corridor would have had if the RTL-3 renovations weren't mechanically crap Not like there aren't any high-speed DMUs out there that would have been better. Or even LRCs with the P32AC-DMs on them, but Amtrak didn't want those (still running on VIA). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 27 05:58:02 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 21:53:28 2016. but perhaps I could ask you to go outy to "Cascadia" and ride the Talgo stuff. Who knows, enough mileage of rough rides might change your mindApples/oranges comparison. NEC track is a different kettle of fish. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 27 06:32:47 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 27 05:55:54 2016. Actually, the Acela coaches are derivatives of the LRC.The Acela locos are derivatives of the TGV. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 27 06:35:52 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Aug 26 21:38:32 2016. Springfield is a shuttle service to New Haven, but there are still the 140-series thru trains. There is no reason to further degrade that service to accommodate Acelas. Then there are low-level platform issues.There are many of the Regional trains to Richmond, Newport News, Norfolk, and Lynchburg. Work out the equipment cycles, and there are very few sets that never head south of DC. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 27 07:20:30 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 27 06:32:47 2016. Yes, but not the same. It's only the LRCs that could be put into service on the Empire Corridor at present, for example. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Aug 27 08:02:21 2016, in response to Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 26 18:41:59 2016. Amtrak is receiving a $2.45 billion loan from the federal government to buy new trains,I often wonder how many Amfleet cars were lost due to wrecks since Amtrak was born. Will these new cars replace what was lost or what was lost and retirement of old Amfleet cars ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Aug 27 08:20:25 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Aug 27 02:17:13 2016. They use third rail as far as Croton-Harmon |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Sat Aug 27 09:17:35 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 20:56:37 2016. Pretty much every passenger truck these days is fabricated. Except for the retread antiques Metra and a few other ops buy, it's all fabricated.Heck, one of the big foundries for this stuff just folded, because there's no market anymore, and for some reason (probably lack of engineering expertise), they didn't diversify out of the rail field. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Aug 27 09:25:41 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 20:58:53 2016. low platforms can be fixed.That's what they are doing at Exton, Pa. making a low platform into a high platform, they are carving out a hill to do this plus more parking on that side. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 27 09:28:56 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 27 07:20:30 2016. If you told BBD to make an LRC today, what would emerge is probably an Acela coach with traps.You have to have anorexia to crawl inside and do maintenance on the LRC tilt system. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 27 09:50:02 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Aug 27 08:02:21 2016. That depends on whether the old Acelas cascade to Regional trains, and that would be very limited if it is. Acela cascades cannot replace 8 and 9 car Regional trains. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Aug 27 10:12:16 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 27 05:49:38 2016. I think its 13 in each direction, but it doesn't change the validity of your point. MNRR third rail already goes halfway, no way NY is paying for another electrical system, unless it was part of a giant complete takeover into a California type operation, and none of us are holding our breaths on that. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 27 10:19:54 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by pragmatist on Sat Aug 27 10:12:16 2016. 20 miles out of 140 is not "half way". Also, only 3 out of the 4 tracks have 3rd rail. If they only did overhead on the two center tracks, there would be redundant electrical on 20 miles of one track. Hardly "another" electrical system...Plus MNRR would then be able to use NH line equipment for the Poughkeepsie runs, eliminating the need for most of their dual mode equipment. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 27 10:23:34 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Aug 27 08:20:25 2016. Doesn't matter, would be a lot more expensive to send third rail (and it's substations every 3 miles) to Renn. than to just ignore the 20 miles of existing 3rd rail and string wire the whole way... |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Aug 27 10:31:35 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 27 10:19:54 2016. Croton Harmon is listed as 32 mi from Penn so no it is not half way, but it is an in place DC distribution system, overhead is normally AC, so yes it would be a redundant system, but there are certainly precedents for that ie: LIRR into NYP. NYS has just spent quite a bit of money overhauling their DMs and the NH equipment is shared ownership with CDOT, they would have to buy more (not necessarily a bad idea anyway) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 27 10:40:21 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by pragmatist on Sat Aug 27 10:31:35 2016. They did overhaul their DMs, but even if the paperwork were signed to build the overhead today, it would still be about 5-10 years before it's even usable. Knowing the speed of government, the DMs would be far past due for retirement before any new electrification is operational.Also remember Amtrak only comes in at Spuyten Duyvil, so subtract that MP from the mileage. The single track tunnel from NYP to the empire connector also has overhead already (along with the third rail). Not much but every little bit helps :). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 27 10:49:09 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Aug 26 21:53:28 2016. Electrifying down to Newport News and Norfolk would be phenomenal. I would say just to Richmond but an engine change for two stops (each branch) at that point would be silly. Richmond is definitely a contender for addition to the true "Northeast Corridor", especially now that they've increased service. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 27 10:53:21 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 26 20:52:27 2016. Trump has several times mentioned that he wants to push forward HSR. They've noted he breaks with the Republicans on that point. I also believe he'd actually try and do it; if nothing else, to get his name stamped on some vital infrastructure, the Trump High Speed Rail network, akin to the Eisenhower Interstate Highway System.It is a silver lining in the unlikely event he makes it to the Oval Office (which I doubt). |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Sat Aug 27 11:33:49 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Aug 27 08:02:21 2016. The On a Track On Line site lists 14 Amfleet cars as wrecked, with the Philadelphia accident accounting for the largest number.http://on-track-on-line.com/amtkrinf-amtrakbythenumbers.shtml#amfleet Alan Follett |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Aug 27 12:46:34 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 27 10:40:21 2016. I used the Amtrak mileage from nyp not the mnrr, but with much of E/C ops paid for by NYS, I can't say I'm optimistic. That being said, do not mistake that for not having it on a wish list. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 27 12:49:26 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by pragmatist on Sat Aug 27 10:31:35 2016. there are certainly precedents for that ie: LIRR into NYPNo. The wires were in heavy use from the start, not just by twelve trains; not "redundant". And the LIRR's third rail was there first, and used by the PRR to Manhattan Transfer in Harrison NJ (shared by the Hudson & Manhattan in places too). |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Aug 27 12:53:52 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 27 12:49:26 2016. There are 2 separate electrical systems serving the same tracks. Who put them there generations ago doesn't change the fact that they are both present now, and heavily used, especially with NJT also going to Sunnyside. But that just illustrates the ability to do it, not to make it a logical choice if it was proposed for today. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 27 12:53:55 2016, in response to Re: Biden: $2.45B loan for Amtrak upgrades in Northeast Corridor, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 27 09:28:56 2016. It certainly won't be as light as the LRC either. |
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