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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 25 10:31:41 2016, in response to [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Jul 25 09:35:36 2016. Didnt the MTA at one point want to do all rail car identification like this?I mean all the 68/68a with electronic signs like the NTT cars? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jul 25 10:52:29 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 25 10:31:41 2016. And the 62s I think.Yes. "Want" being the operative word. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jul 25 10:58:50 2016, in response to [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Jul 25 09:35:36 2016. Nice idea.Did you notice if they had it in any of the other cars in this consist? |
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Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Mon Jul 25 11:10:14 2016, in response to [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Jul 25 09:35:36 2016. So, the train clock saying 7:15AM was right, but the platform clock (visible at 1:40 in the video) saying 6:50PM was wrong?Keeping the train clock synchronized, I'd like to know how they do that. You think it'd be harder than the platform clock but who knows? |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Jul 25 11:14:19 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 25 10:58:50 2016. All four cars in the consist were equipped. This can be seen in the last clip that shows the train departing 4th Avenue. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 25 11:48:45 2016, in response to [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Jul 25 09:35:36 2016. I guess the R-68's may stick around a little longer.Will there be robo station announcements ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jul 25 11:55:05 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Mon Jul 25 11:10:14 2016. Sointenly.Those old analog platform clocks are notoriously out of sync with the rest of the world. In fact the only one I know of is on the downtown platform of the Fordham Rd station (D train). |
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Posted by BMRR on Mon Jul 25 11:55:35 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Mon Jul 25 11:10:14 2016. Clocking can be obtained from GPS. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jul 25 11:56:40 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by BMRR on Mon Jul 25 11:55:35 2016. Does GPS work underground? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 25 12:21:16 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 25 10:31:41 2016. My source from within tells me these signs are from a vendor who are showing what they can do so they can get a contract to equip future subway car orders.The rest of the R68/68A fleet ARE NOT getting these. Realize these cars are are old.......around 25 years old. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Mon Jul 25 12:30:30 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 25 12:21:16 2016. R-68 prime order or R-68As??? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 25 14:15:08 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 25 11:56:40 2016. No. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Jul 25 14:52:05 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 25 14:15:08 2016. I didn't think so. That rules out BMRR's comment. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 25 15:50:17 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 25 12:21:16 2016. My source from within tells me these signs are from a vendor who are showing what they can do so they can get a contract to equip future subway car orders.I noticed the green (G)leds making it correct. Yellow and orange bullets will cause some problems. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 25 17:33:42 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 25 12:21:16 2016. 😒...would it make sense to overhaul those cars to meet NTT standards...?The shells are what really count,right? As long as the car shells are in good to great conditions...couldn't they be rebuilt to into something like a R212 or sumpthin...sorta like how PATCO rebuilt their old stock? |
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Posted by BMRR on Mon Jul 25 18:12:46 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 25 14:52:05 2016. ahh...over ruled :( |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 25 19:25:31 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 25 14:52:05 2016. Not necessarily, the G goes outside for two stops.That said time can sync with anything, even a radio signal. Remember when PBS could somehow be used to set your VCR clock? |
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Posted by K. Trout on Tue Jul 26 01:26:29 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Allan on Mon Jul 25 14:52:05 2016. Depends on how significant clock drift is when not receiving a signal. I assume it would be the same technology used currently for the NTTs, does anyone know what that is? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 26 01:46:40 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by K. Trout on Tue Jul 26 01:26:29 2016. Windows NT 4.0. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Tue Jul 26 02:01:54 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 26 01:46:40 2016. Hmm. Even commodity x86 hardware of that era should have no trouble holding an accurate timestamp (maybe a few seconds a day). I'd assume/hope an external source of some kind is included though. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 26 02:13:24 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by K. Trout on Tue Jul 26 02:01:54 2016. CMOS clock ... they don't lose all THAT much given that Windows needs to be rebooted often. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 26 02:47:26 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by K. Trout on Tue Jul 26 02:01:54 2016. BTW ... just for giggles - this place runs on Windows with a CMOS clock. Time and date stamps are never off ... here. :) |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Jul 26 09:49:18 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Mon Jul 25 11:10:14 2016. Occasional wireless train to wayside communication. The train syncs with a workstation in the field. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 26 14:08:15 2016, in response to [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Jul 25 09:35:36 2016. very nice |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 26 14:39:24 2016, in response to [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Jul 25 09:35:36 2016. And they show the route in the proper color!!! Wow- in 2016 we finally have this- I know it's also on the interior of the R142/142As- but not on the R143, R160, or R188... |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 26 16:11:43 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 25 17:33:42 2016. Despite the age, it would probably be easier and more cost effective to do the R-46s since they already have some of the amenities of the NTTs.. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jul 26 16:27:34 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 25 12:21:16 2016. But they probably have another 15 years of life left in them, right?--Mark |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Jul 27 02:12:45 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 26 14:39:24 2016. I'm pretty sure that the interior displays on all the NTTs can show only red, green, or yellow (by combining red + green). This works out perfectly for the R142s, which need the red for the 1,2,3 and need the green for the 4,5,6, but they can't do the purple for the 7. It also works out well for the yellow N,Q,R, but all the other lines also use yellow, even though their own colors are different. So I don't think there's anything special about the displays in the R142s, it's just that their available colors match (most of) their lines. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 27 07:09:10 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by gbs on Wed Jul 27 02:12:45 2016. I see. I'm sure though, that white would be technically feasible for the L- it would be close enough to the route's official gray color.. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 27 07:11:46 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 27 07:09:10 2016. Also, I've never understood why they were so cheap as to not get exterior signs on the R142/142A that could show green for the 4/5/6.If the inside signs can show red or green, why not the outside ones? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 27 15:50:24 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 27 07:11:46 2016. Cheapness. From what I have seen the CTA 5000s can display all the colors of the respective lines including brown and the photos I have seen show that the signs are quite easy to read and look almost identical to the old roll signs. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Wed Jul 27 21:10:22 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 26 02:47:26 2016. Agh, you're giving me flashbacks to the weeks I spent convincing an entire Windows domain to get its time from the same NTP server. Nooooooooo!! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 21:11:28 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by K. Trout on Wed Jul 27 21:10:22 2016. Ayup. ;) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 27 22:19:03 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 25 12:21:16 2016. NY Daily News Wednesday July 27, 2016. Page 6, story about this digital tryout.Statement from MTA spokesman Kevin Ortiz. "the agency is testing signs and equipment from a subway car builder, and has no other plans to add the digital information displays to other trains." |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 22:29:23 2016, in response to Re: [VIDEO]: R68 Electronic Sign Test Train Action, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 27 15:50:24 2016. PATH PA5 and Septa Silverliner V both have full color LED displays. Not expensive anymore... |
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