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St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Apr 26 18:40:41 2016

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Putting aside the fact that there is a ton of industrial development at the mouth of the St Marys Tunnel that would probably have to get demolished, I'm curious about the physical possibility of linking the two. What's the height of the trackway coming off the Hell Gate as it crosses, let's say 132nd St. What's the height when it crosses the mouth of the St Marys Tunnel? What is the distance between those two points?

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue Apr 26 18:46:19 2016, in response to St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Apr 26 18:40:41 2016.

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don`t you mean the st.ann`s tunnel?


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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Apr 26 18:54:03 2016, in response to Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue Apr 26 18:46:19 2016.

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I've always known it as the St Mary's Tunnel. Never heard it called St Anns

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue Apr 26 19:30:18 2016, in response to Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Apr 26 18:54:03 2016.

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I,m open on this.

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue Apr 26 19:45:24 2016, in response to Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue Apr 26 19:30:18 2016.

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did some research,looks like it called both.

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Apr 26 21:19:58 2016, in response to St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Apr 26 18:40:41 2016.

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How much use does that tunnel see?

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Apr 26 21:46:02 2016, in response to Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Apr 26 21:19:58 2016.

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Not much.

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 21:47:11 2016, in response to Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Apr 26 21:46:02 2016.

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I thought that the tunnel saw zero use given that it's abandoned.

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Apr 26 21:59:52 2016, in response to St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Apr 26 18:40:41 2016.

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Are they already connected, via one or more reverse moves?

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Apr 26 22:16:42 2016, in response to St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Apr 26 18:40:41 2016.

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The Triboro RX plan had the bridge connected to that tunnel, not sure how.

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 26 23:30:12 2016, in response to Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 26 21:47:11 2016.

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He didn't say what kind of use. I'm sure someone or something uses it somehow at least a little.

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Apr 27 01:03:50 2016, in response to Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Apr 26 21:59:52 2016.

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Yes, when the tunnel was in use, it connected to the Hell Gate line via a reverse move through the Oak Point yard.

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Apr 27 10:32:21 2016, in response to St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Apr 26 18:40:41 2016.

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I have wondered that as well. I have the Triboro RX as part of my fantasy map, but looking at Google Earth, any attempt to bring the train down from the Hell Gate descend to the tunnel might have to involve street closures.

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 27 15:22:10 2016, in response to Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Apr 26 18:54:03 2016.

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The tunnel ran underneath St.Mary's Park. St.Ann's Avenue is a street that runs alongside the west side of the park. At one time it was served by the Bx-32. In the 1950's you could walk through the park to a bakery for the day old bread. By the 1970's you would only walk through that park if the 82nd Airborne went with you.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by Allan on Wed Apr 27 15:40:37 2016, in response to Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 27 15:22:10 2016.

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And in 2016. Bernie Sanders held a rally in there.

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by HART BUS on Thu Apr 28 12:18:02 2016, in response to Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 27 15:22:10 2016.

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You know it. I, as an auditor, was sent to work on the account of HICO Steel on 132nd and St. Ann's. This was in 74-75 and the neighborhood was a war zone, with a lot of abandoned buildings.

We talk more more about this Saturday, if you are coming to Members' Day at Shoreline.

Hope to see you there!

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 28 14:00:42 2016, in response to Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by HART BUS on Thu Apr 28 12:18:02 2016.

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I'll be there Alan.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 29 19:27:01 2016, in response to Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by Allan on Wed Apr 27 15:40:37 2016.

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Same old B. S., no doubt.

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Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge

Posted by GojiMet86 on Sun May 1 13:54:18 2016, in response to Re: St Marys Tunnel + Hell Gate Bridge, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 27 15:22:10 2016.

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This is the scene today of the tunnel/ROW at 161st Street in Melrose, between Elton and Washington Avenues.

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If you notice, the street changes color. The tunnel is underneath the ligther portion.

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