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Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 16:47:00 2016

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Triangle Business Journal

Major railroad carriers say they won't meet federal safety system deadline, 2 in N.C.

By Lauren K. Ohnesorge, Staff Writer
Feb 4, 2016, 12:33pm EST
When it comes to a new, federally mandated safety system for railroads, the industry isn't meeting its deadlines.

A new report from the U.S. Department of Transportation's Federal Railroad Administration shows at least seven of the nation’s carriers, including CSX Corporation and Norfolk Southern (both companies have operations in North Carolina), won’t meet the 2018 Congressionally-mandated implementation deadline of a system designed to prevent train accidents.

PTC, which stands for positive train control, is a complicated system designed as a failsafe, to slow or stop trains to prevent collisions and derailments. The feds originally wanted it implemented by 2015, but companies ran into technological roadblocks.

“Imagine you have no cellphone, no data system, anything,” Paul Worley, rail division director for the N.C. Department of Transportation, explains. “And then Congress tells you you need to come up with a way of doing it in seven years.”

The Surface Transportation Reauthorization Act of 2015 pushed back that deadline until the end of 2018 and included a provision that allows railroads to seek a waiver for an additional two years. Both CSX and Norfolk Southern have targeted 2020 for implementation, according to the latest report — meaning they'll need waivers.

Worley equates PTC to inventing Google Maps from scratch. PTC requires a plethora of data so that trains can “know” where all the other trains are on the track, meaning radio towers, lengthy permitting procedures and billions of dollars.

North Carolina, all things considered, is ahead, he says.

“We were on target to be able to have [the technology] on our locomotives, even if the system wasn’t ready,” he says, adding that, with the deadline extension, suppliers have moved back their timeline. North Carolina is now on track to outfit its trains in 2017. “But it's like having a cellphone but not having the system.”

The companies expected to miss the 2018 deadline are: CSX, Norfolk Southern, Canadian National Railway, SunRail, Metra, Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority and Trinity Railway Express.

CSX and Norfolk Southern are the only companies on the list operating in N.C.

According to the Federal Railroad Administration’s Office of Safety Analysis, there were 17 train “accidents” in N.C. in 2015, about half the 25 reported in 2014. Thirteen of those were derailments.

CSX notes on its website that PTC does not prevent track failure-related accidents, equipment failure-related accidents and grade crossing accidents. CSX was not immediately available to comment. Norfolk Southern directed TBJ to a video describing the complexity of PTC implementation.

CSX has made recent headlines for its controversial intermodal terminal plans in Johnston County.


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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Feb 7 20:28:15 2016, in response to Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 16:47:00 2016.

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That is plenty enough time. They've already gotten an extension.

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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by WillD on Mon Feb 8 00:27:59 2016, in response to Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 16:47:00 2016.

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I fail to see the big deal. With the crony capitalist Republicans firmly entrenched in DC they'll uphold the regulatory capture of the FRA by giving the railroads yet another extension. And the railroads will miss that deadline as well. In the meantime crashes will occur that could have been prevented if the railroads had deployed PTC in a timely manner. I just hope there aren't too many people killed.

But kudos to Mr. Worley for massively overstating the complexity of the system.

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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by Dave on Mon Feb 8 07:42:55 2016, in response to Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by WillD on Mon Feb 8 00:27:59 2016.

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With the crony capitalist Republicans firmly entrenched in DC they'll uphold the regulatory capture of the FRA by giving the railroads yet another extension.

Hate to interrupt your rant but the three year extension to 2018 passed the House 363-64 and the Senate 83-16, which means many Democraps also voted in favor of the extension.

Funny thing, facts. You must be taking lessons from Selkirk.

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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 8 17:14:14 2016, in response to Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by Dave on Mon Feb 8 07:42:55 2016.

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It's Obama's fault ... right? :)

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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 8 17:27:26 2016, in response to Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by Dave on Mon Feb 8 07:42:55 2016.

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Just call it Citizens United working as intended. It goes to both side of the aisle.

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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 8 17:56:46 2016, in response to Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by Dave on Mon Feb 8 07:42:55 2016.

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Seems to me, there are more Capitalists in the Democrat party these days. After all how the heck would pay 650,000 to hear Clinton Speak.

Besides Goldman Sachs, of course.

ROAR

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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 8 18:25:22 2016, in response to Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 8 17:56:46 2016.

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You ought to see how much they have to cough up for the other side. :)

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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 8 18:29:47 2016, in response to Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 8 17:56:46 2016.

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Seems to me, there are more Capitalists in the Democrat party these days. After all how the heck would pay $650,000 to hear Clinton Speak

You're getting "capitalist" mixed up with "neo-feudalist". Not all money is capital; only that which produces what is useful is capital.

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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 8 18:31:19 2016, in response to Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by Dave on Mon Feb 8 07:42:55 2016.

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He's still buying the Rep-Dem false dichotomy too. "Crony capitalism" = left-wing state capitalism, derived directly from Lenin's New Economic Policy and refined by the Red Chinese.

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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Feb 8 22:44:30 2016, in response to Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 16:47:00 2016.

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I can understand the big freight railroads having issues but MBTA and Metra?

The requirement for an extension should be some show of significant progress; IE maybe all locomotives and 1/3rd the trackage have it...

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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by WillD on Tue Feb 9 04:09:12 2016, in response to Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by Dave on Mon Feb 8 07:42:55 2016.

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A bill sponsored by a Republican and with the PTC extension tagged onto authorization for transit and other ground transport items. Why should the Democrats have thrown the baby out with the bathwater when Republicans were threatening to drown the baby in that bathwater?

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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by WillD on Tue Feb 9 04:09:45 2016, in response to Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 8 18:31:19 2016.

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So you're not even trying to hide the fact that you're completely detached from reality now, are you?

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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 9 06:51:22 2016, in response to Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by WillD on Tue Feb 9 04:09:45 2016.

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Wait ... wut ... this is news? :)

Olog (and a short list of others) is what makes OT so entertaining!

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Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Feb 9 07:33:31 2016, in response to Re: Railroads will miss new 2018 PTC deadline, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 8 18:29:47 2016.

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You are right.... Money given to Clinton will NEVER produce anything useful.

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