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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 2 18:36:23 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Feb 2 13:14:48 2016.

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Re: Union Tpke, That Is Great News, Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 2 18:42:54 2016, in response to Re: Union Tpke, That Is Great News, Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary., posted by Dupont Circle Station on Tue Feb 2 11:58:43 2016.

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Some people think the whole world revolves around them.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 2 18:44:05 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 2 17:52:59 2016.

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"Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do!"

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 2 18:45:43 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 1 20:19:17 2016.

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How about one of those '73 cop car Furies? They were cool.

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Re: Station Tour( Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 2 18:56:10 2016, in response to Re: Station Tour( Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary), posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 2 11:58:51 2016.

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Rudy was afraid of the sound of his own farts.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 2 19:03:46 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 2 18:45:43 2016.

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"It's got a cop motor, a 440-cubic-inch plant. It's got cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas."

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 2 20:18:18 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Feb 2 13:14:48 2016.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Feb 3 01:25:26 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 2 19:03:46 2016.

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Regular gas in a 440 with a standard 4 barrel carburator? Not in your wettest dreams! Sunoco 260 premium fuel was about 65 cents a gallon when this car was new. Believe it or not, that was a lot of money for the smaller towns, many of which used a 318/4 barrel carb. Tunnelrat, what did the NYPD police cars have under their hoods in the mid-1960's?

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Attn: SelkirkTMO - Why would you necessarily need cops?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 01:29:57 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Feb 2 13:14:48 2016.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 01:30:11 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 2 18:34:48 2016.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 01:41:11 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Feb 3 01:25:26 2016.

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The line is a quote about the "Bluesmobile" in the movie, "Blues Brothers." ;)

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Re: Attn: SelkirkTMO - Why would you necessarily need cops?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 01:43:31 2016, in response to Attn: SelkirkTMO - Why would you necessarily need cops?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 01:29:57 2016.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Feb 3 01:46:17 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by zac on Sun Jan 31 11:20:25 2016.

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What subway contractor would excavate more tunnel than what their contract called for? Reality check! The Pitkin Ave extension, including the partial 76th St shell, was abandoned when the engineers found a costly high water table problem and decided not to continue. So, they connected Euclid Ave to the Liberty Ave el and later ran the Rockaway spur off of it.



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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by K. Trout on Wed Feb 3 01:51:36 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Feb 3 01:46:17 2016.

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But then who built it, if no contract was known to be awarded?

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by K. Trout on Wed Feb 3 01:58:51 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by zac on Tue Feb 2 07:44:40 2016.

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Euclid easily could have been more like 71 Av - some through services, some terminating services, along with some additional variations to serve Lefferts as well.

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Re: A tile wall at Crystal Street Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 3 06:58:40 2016, in response to Re: A tile wall at Crystal Street Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 2 17:37:07 2016.

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Ok. Good to know. And....on the "Belt Parkway", those designations still change where the segment names used to. So- formally, they are separate roads- although for common sense purposes, they're (except for the Cross Island) publicly identified as the "Belt Parkway"

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 3 07:00:34 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Feb 2 18:45:43 2016.

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Yeah, they were used as "cop cars"- both marked and unmarked in TV and movies well beyond the time actual police departments used them.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 3 07:01:10 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 2 19:03:46 2016.

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Beautiful pic. Thank you.

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Re: A tile wall at Crystal Street Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Express Rider on Wed Feb 3 08:00:13 2016, in response to Re: A tile wall at Crystal Street Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Feb 2 14:12:56 2016.

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Thanks for the information - very interesting!

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Express Rider on Wed Feb 3 08:09:51 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 2 07:06:29 2016.

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so this means the red box, will not get sufficient reflection from the concrete?
also, if the rails were lifted, then you'd only receive reflections from the rebar, or any other metals used in constrution correct?

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 08:28:44 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Express Rider on Wed Feb 3 08:09:51 2016.

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Well ... those who you pay to drag it and hand you the printouts are kinda particular about doing it "by the book" and that means you drag the sled on the ground, thank you Mighty Mouse. :)

If the rails were lifted (and those I've heard it from who worked there at the time insist that nothing was pulled up) then you'd still get reflections from the rebar in all that cement, as well as the steel pillars that held up the roof like any OTHER IND construction. They supposedly didn't tile the walls other than partially, but all that cement means that there's plenty of rebar down there.

GPR would DEFINITELY settle this. Even Geraldo Rivera couldn't fake it. :)

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Re: Station Tour( Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary)

Posted by Express Rider on Wed Feb 3 08:31:08 2016, in response to Re: Station Tour( Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary), posted by Mitch45 on Tue Feb 2 11:58:51 2016.

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Nice. I read/heard about tours that went to these locations. On my list is to visit the original side platforms at Brooklyn Bridge. The south end of the downtown platform is accessible but off limits, however, someone in the tower let me walk back there years ago.

In 1970 I rode the Bowling Green S. Ferry shuttle - was on the innner platform while in service.



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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Express Rider on Wed Feb 3 08:34:10 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 08:28:44 2016.

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Geraldo.... heh,heh!! Brings back outrageous memories......

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Re: Attn: SelkirkTMO - Why would you necessarily need cops?

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Feb 3 08:55:45 2016, in response to Attn: SelkirkTMO - Why would you necessarily need cops?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 01:29:57 2016.

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Attn: Elkeeper -- Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Feb 3 08:56:27 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 2 18:34:48 2016.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Feb 3 09:00:21 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Express Rider on Wed Feb 3 08:09:51 2016.

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Express Rider, you should be warned that SelkirkTMO does not take this place seriously and he's only here for the lulz, so he takes no care in ensuring that the information he provides here is anywhere close to accurate. He has been shown to be wrong hundreds of times, even on subjects that you'd think he'd be knowledgeable about.

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Re: A tile wall at Crystal Street Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Feb 3 11:24:40 2016, in response to Re: A tile wall at Crystal Street Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by GIS Man on Mon Feb 1 10:09:31 2016.

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its highland park,not forest park.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Feb 3 11:28:43 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Feb 3 01:25:26 2016.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 3 15:26:56 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Feb 3 01:46:17 2016.

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How many times must I and other people knowledgeable about the area have to repeat ourselves? The extension down Pitkin Av and the connection to the Fulton St el were intended to coexist. The entire infrastructure S/O Euclid was constructed with that in mind and the model board at Euclid tower bears this out. The Pitkin Av subway was supposed to connect to the LIRR ROW via a portal in the vicinity of old Aqueduct station while the connection to the Fulton St el was to have been made as it eventually was but with existing BMT signaling used S/O 80 (Hudson) St. When the extension down Pitkin proved unusable, the only modification made was that the connection to the LIRR would have to be made from the Fulton el structure and so the current Liberty Jct was designed which of course required new signaling to accommodate the junction that was not included in the original plans.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 3 15:38:39 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 08:28:44 2016.

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There is a good reason to assume nothing was ever lifted. According to most accounts about the state of the station shell is that there were no rails ever installed much like the condition of ENY During WWII with a complete station shell but no rails or signals. The only difference between ENY and 76 St was that while ENY was completely tiled prior to opening, 76 St was only tiled on the S/B platform and it has never been made clear as to whether the wall was completely or only partially tiled.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 3 17:46:07 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 2 18:34:48 2016.

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How he was able to explore under the street in order to find the LIRR tunnel. Not to mention how he arranged to have tours and people go into a manhole in the middle of the street to visit the tunnel.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 17:51:07 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 3 15:38:39 2016.

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Yep. I remember being told back when. Supposedly the rails made it to just before the downhill to the interlocking. But there should be plenty of rebar down there to reflect back up.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 17:58:03 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Express Rider on Wed Feb 3 08:34:10 2016.

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Who could possibly do it better? :)



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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 18:02:28 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Feb 3 09:00:21 2016.

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So then go ahead and explain how it all works, Mr. Know-it-all. :)


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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 19:41:12 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 18:02:28 2016.

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No. As I've said many times, I only speak authoritatively on subjects with which I am very familiar. And even then, I still usually use qualifiers.

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Re: A tile wall at Crystal Street Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Feb 3 19:43:17 2016, in response to Re: A tile wall at Crystal Street Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Feb 2 14:17:24 2016.

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Conduit Avenue may have predated the parkway in the same location.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 19:47:43 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 3 17:46:07 2016.

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But I already answered the question. His reply to me makes no sense in the context.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Feb 3 19:52:00 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 17:58:03 2016.

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Mr. Prendergast, TEAR DOWN THAT WALL!

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Feb 3 19:53:18 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Feb 3 19:52:00 2016.

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I bet he has never heard of it. The MTA wouldn't want to do it anyway since it wouldn't pay for the equipment.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 19:59:27 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Feb 3 19:52:00 2016.

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For what? So Geraldo can provide the election results from the platform? :)



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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 20:04:49 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Feb 3 19:53:18 2016.

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Maybe we can get CNN to chip in. :)



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Re: A tile wall at Crystal Street Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 3 20:16:16 2016, in response to Re: A tile wall at Crystal Street Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Feb 2 14:17:24 2016.

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If you are looking at the aerial photo on the NYC Map Portal, I disagree. It does not look to be a trestle, it looks at grade. In fact, it appears to cross North Conduit* at grade.

*Actually Albert Road/Old South Road, which occupies the modern ROW of North Conduit in that location.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 3 20:20:53 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Feb 3 01:25:26 2016.

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Back in the 60s, if you had a four-barrel V8, you had to use premium. Compression ratios were greater than 10:1 on such engines. If you were to use regular, you'd burn a hole through a piston unless you retarded the spark.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Feb 3 21:11:47 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 20:04:49 2016.

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This could work, as they don't actually have enough news to cover 24 hours!

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 3 22:30:46 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 19:47:43 2016.

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It does, if he's saying that you should compare methodology, in case there is an easier way.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 3 22:33:33 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Feb 3 19:52:00 2016.

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Why ask him? If the MTA can lend out some power tools, I'm sure the fans will be glad to do it! :-)

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 3 22:35:35 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 19:59:27 2016.

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So Geraldo can do naked selfies from a novel location. Anything for him to stand out! :-)

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 23:01:29 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 3 22:35:35 2016.

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That's why we need to bring in Wolf Blitzer, just to keep him in line. :)

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 23:33:12 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by 3-9 on Wed Feb 3 22:30:46 2016.

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There isn't. If you're going to do work in the street, you need a permit and an MPT plan, like I said. Accessing a manhole isn't necessarily the same thing, though it very may well be.

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Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 23:36:01 2016, in response to Re: Possible new 76th Street Evidence and summary, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 3 19:41:12 2016.

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