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Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends? |
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Posted by JRR4 on Sat Jan 9 11:36:03 2016 Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends? |
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Posted by Allan on Sat Jan 9 12:09:31 2016, in response to Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by JRR4 on Sat Jan 9 11:36:03 2016. Because there is a delay in the replacement of the switch at Essex St that would allow the train to go back to Brooklyn on the eastbound track. |
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Posted by JRR4 on Sat Jan 9 12:13:57 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Allan on Sat Jan 9 12:09:31 2016. Ah, Thanks! |
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Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends? |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat Jan 9 19:22:43 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Allan on Sat Jan 9 12:09:31 2016. Cracked frog that needs/needed to be custom-made for the geometry of the switch in question. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jan 9 19:50:10 2016, in response to Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by JRR4 on Sat Jan 9 11:36:03 2016. Because Moe misses his old stomping ground.:) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 10 03:55:28 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Allan on Sat Jan 9 12:09:31 2016. To me, it would make more sense to have the (M) terminate at West 4th on weekends even if that meant the (D) would have to make two switches to run on the local track between Broadway-Lafayette and 34th Street northbound and 34th and just north of West 4th southbound (doing that, the (M) could use the switches on weekends inside the express tunnel to turn and come in on the southbound local track after terminating on either track at W4).Doing that would actually cut one stop on the (M) and give (M) riders better access to transfers at Broadway-Lafayette (D/F/6 and currently A/C while Cranberry is being repaired) and West 4 (A/C/E). |
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Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 07:47:31 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 10 03:55:28 2016. I don't see why not.D & F can share space. |
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Posted by The silence on Sun Jan 10 10:57:08 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 07:47:31 2016. Because that has the M and D crossing in front of each other.West 4th is not a terminal and a through station at the same time. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 11:01:10 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by The silence on Sun Jan 10 10:57:08 2016. The point is W4th would be a terminal and NOT a thru station on weekends.D & M are each 10 minutes apart. They should be able to handle that, if they are not half asleep at the switch. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jan 10 11:26:42 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 11:01:10 2016. It would mean merging/splitting the F and M at Broadway Lafayette, crossing the M and D in front of each other at West 4th while F trains run through, and merging/splitting the F and D at 34th.That's a lot of headache, a lot more chances for things to go wrong, and probably a lot more staff attention for little tangible benefit. All told, the MTA prefers to cut down on excessive switching wherever possible. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 11:34:33 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Nilet on Sun Jan 10 11:26:42 2016. The F & M split/merge as it is, and that is with the F running at 15 trains per hour. On weekends, that should be child's play.The only new wrinkle is D & M swapping paths, and with 10 minute intervals each, I don't see the big deal. D's have run local with GO's and the world did not crack. Pushing a button on a console or an lever every 2.5 minutes does not constitute unreasonable staff attention. The MTA simply wants everything dumbed down to cope with their incompetence and yet the subway's OTP is worse than ever. Continuing to lower the bar to cope with incompetence and laziness does not improve performance. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jan 10 11:52:38 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 11:34:33 2016. The F & M split/merge as it is, and that is with the F running at 15 trains per hour. On weekends, that should be child's play.They don't cross paths with the D. The only new wrinkle is D & M swapping paths, and with 10 minute intervals each, I don't see the big deal. The MTA obviously does. D's have run local with GO's and the world did not crack. That a diversion is doable doesn't mean it's desirable. Rerouting trains can be a major inconvenience, so it's understandable the MTA wants to cut down on it. Pushing a button on a console or an lever every 2.5 minutes does not constitute unreasonable staff attention. That's assuming everything is running on schedule and the passengers are well-behaved. If there's any form of disruption, the tower will have to put more work into sorting out trains and train crews will have to spend more time en route while they wait for traffic to clear. Moreover, M trains terminating at West 4th would need to be cleared out for the relay while stopped on what's normally a through track; D trains normally stopping there will be on the local track. This means more confusion, and more staff attention needed to clear the M trains and direct people. The MTA simply wants everything dumbed down to cope with their incompetence and yet the subway's OTP is worse than ever. OK, first of all, taking the simpler option over the needlessly complex option isn't what I'd call "dumbing down." Chambers Street works perfectly fine as a temporary weekend terminal. There is no need to use West 4th. Even if the added complications are minor, there is no benefit to justify them. I'm all for needlessly complicated proposals on SubChat, but I have to agree that the MTA's plan is the right one here. Second, is the OTP really that bad compared to, say, the 80s when complicated fluctuating routes were the norm? I'm inclined to doubt it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 12:36:22 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Nilet on Sun Jan 10 11:52:38 2016. " The MTA obviously does."I do not care what the MTA thinks, and they have no longer have any credibility to determine what works and what does not. The R train is a disaster on weekends, with common 20 and 30 minute waits and all it has to do is merge with the N in one direction, which at worst means a 2 minute delay if it's an even draw with an R and and N. It has to do with incompetence, arrogance, and failure to carry out Performance Management actions. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 12:38:46 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Nilet on Sun Jan 10 11:52:38 2016. " ; D trains normally stopping there will be on the local track. This means more confusion, and more staff attention needed to clear the M trains and direct people."There is such a thing as platform signs, and trains do show up on local verses express track based on time of day or day of week throuhout the system. That is a cockamamie excuse to do nothing. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Jan 10 12:55:57 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 11:01:10 2016. the D would platform on the express tracks and have to cross to local. the M would have to platform on the local tracks and cross to the express, with the F in the mix.This is a terrible idea. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 13:02:36 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by The Silence on Sun Jan 10 12:55:57 2016. Criss-crossing with 2 10 minute services are doable.First come, first save. Impact should never be more than a minute. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 10 14:58:28 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 07:47:31 2016. More valuable for M passengers on weekends that in addition to direct access to the F and J they have direct access to the 4,5,6,N,Q,R rather than the 6,A,C,D,E. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jan 10 15:16:06 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 10 03:55:28 2016. While the Cranberry Tunnel is being repaired over the course of several weekends this year - A and C train service will be diverted over the Rutgers Street Tunnel between Manhattan and Brooklyn in both directions.In addition there will be work on the 53rd Street Tunnel, meaning that E-trains will be diverted over the F-train via the 63rd Street Tunnel along Sixth Avenue and to/from its WTC terminal. Basically over several weekends over the coming year the switch plant at the West 4th Street station will be getting work out in both directions with A, C, E and F trains traveling over the switches in both directions. In such a scenario - why would one ever introduce the M-train to the mix? I know this is a Wallyhorse suggestion - but even he could fore-see the problems such a mixture of train operations can create. Mike |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 15:23:15 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Michael549 on Sun Jan 10 15:16:06 2016. Obviously during a GO mess, you don't do it.But this is a subway, not a monorail, and switches are there to be used, not for decoration. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sun Jan 10 15:28:55 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 15:23:15 2016. IAWTP!chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by Bzuck on Sun Jan 10 15:35:54 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Allan on Sat Jan 9 12:09:31 2016. How much longer will it take them to replace the Essex Street switch? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jan 10 15:45:02 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 15:23:15 2016. In the past Wallyhorse has made a series of suggestions, and he has at various times repeated some of his suggestions. Some of his suggestions are "long standing suggestions", and some of his previous suggestions have been changed or modified by time or circumstance. Fair enough.In any case - the suggestion for the M-train to use West 4th Street on the weekends as a terminal is one of Wallyhorse's long time suggestions. He has made this particular suggestion in the past, and it has been well debated in the past. That's we do here - debate, argue, etc. So this suggestion is NOT NEW. What is "NEW" is that the MTA just in the past few days published their schedule of A, C and E diversions over the F-line involving the West 4th Street station switches that will be taking place for several weekends each month over the course of the coming year! So far the schedule shows the track diversions happening for 2 or 3 weekends each month for the next 6 months, with EVERY weekend in June scheduled for such A, C, and E train diversions. The issue with the M-train using the Chambers Street station as a weekend terminal has been going for months - it was a big deal. So that begs the question, of why repeat that particular suggestion NOW? Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jan 10 15:48:31 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Michael549 on Sun Jan 10 15:45:02 2016. Oops! I have to work on proof-reading!A mistake: "The issue with the M-train using the Chambers Street station as a weekend terminal has been going for months - it was a big deal." IT SHOULD BE CHANGED TO: The issue with the M-train using the Chambers Street station as a weekend terminal has been going for months - it was NOT a big deal! Mike |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 15:54:13 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Michael549 on Sun Jan 10 15:48:31 2016. I don't agree with turning the system inside out with J'z or whatever to Wash Hts. But the M only under normal circumstances to W4th is doable.But we have Sandy repair damage on Cranberry Street tunnels to go on for a year, and God knows what for 53rd Street. Sending the E down to Whitehall with the R I think is better than trying to shoehorn it in on 6th Avenue, given that you need to pack a lunch to wait for and ride the R anyway. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 10 16:14:34 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 15:54:13 2016. But the M only under normal circumstances to W4th is doable.But less valuable for M riders than to Chambers. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 16:28:22 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 10 16:14:34 2016. I don't agree. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jan 10 16:41:06 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 15:54:13 2016. From a previous message:"But we have Sandy repair damage on Cranberry Street tunnels to go on for a year, and God knows what for 53rd Street. Sending the E down to Whitehall with the R I think is better than trying to shoehorn it in on 6th Avenue, given that you need to pack a lunch to wait for and ride the R anyway." I am kind of "wishy-washy" on the idea of sending the weekend-diverted E-train down 63rd Street/Sixth AVenue to WTC versus sending the weekend-diverted E-train down the Broadway R-line to Whitehall Street. On one hand there's the idea that the E-train will be getting to/from its usual terminals in Manhattan and Queens via a different section in midtown. I guess for certain man-power staffing issues this is fine. However this re-routed E-train misses several important transfer stops & destinations that make the E-train VERY USEFUL. The MTA travel directions that send E-train Manhattan/Queens riders via the A, C and #7 lines to alternatively reach by-passed stations and places is maddening. On the other hand there's the idea that weekend-diverted E-train travel Manhattan by the Broadway line R-train alternatively provides those transfers or promixity to the usual destinations at the expense that the E-train in Manhattan will not be traveling to/from its usual terminal in Manhattan. Frankly Whitehall Street is not WTC - meaning that some folks will get confused. I suspect that the need to cover the stations below West 4th Street at least by the E-train was the deciding factor, especially since A and C trains will still be diverted for several weekends over the coming year. The madness has several planks - and removing a plank creates more madness. Mike |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Jan 10 17:12:32 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 16:28:22 2016. fewer connections and a bad terminal is better than more connections and a dedicated pocket relay?West 4th requires three switch moves across mainline track and blocking traffic to unload. it enables direct transfers to the 6, A, C & D Chambers street has dedicated relaying space and the route gives connections to the 4, 5, 6, N, Q and R while still meeting the F. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Jan 10 17:13:44 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 13:02:36 2016. have you ever know the trains to make their intervals?This is going to be a log jam. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 17:43:16 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by The Silence on Sun Jan 10 17:13:44 2016. No there isn't. I said first-come first-serve and the trains are 10 minutes apart. If one is right behind the other, there hasn't been one in 20 minutes.You are acting like this is bus bunching on 5th Avenue, so we have to run the subway as though it were a monorail. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 17:50:23 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by The Silence on Sun Jan 10 17:12:32 2016. People are headed midtown. Why do you insist on taking them downtown, and to the most disgusting station in the system at that ?We run for the customer, not for the dispatcher's convenience. The M would do nothing out of the ordinary except shift to the express track at W4th. The passenger does not care that the train has to crossover north of W4th Street to relay, and no other service is disrupted when it does - the D is on the local track. It blocks nothing to unload. Since W4th as a terminus has 2 tracks, with relaying north of it, it is just as efficient a terminal as Chambers. |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Jan 10 19:35:01 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Bzuck on Sun Jan 10 15:35:54 2016. As long as it takes. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 11 06:42:22 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 12:38:46 2016. The (M) in this case would be on the EXPRESS track at West 4th and use the express tunnel to turn.The (D) would be on the LOCAL track at West 4th (and 34th) and it would be noted that weekends, all trains at 34th would be on the local track. This also doubles local trains stopping at 14th (which also is a transfer point) and 23rd Street on weekends. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 11 06:52:32 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 17:43:16 2016. Exactly! It's NOT a monorail/bus bunching.This is on WEEKENDS, when trains are at 10-12 minute intervals. Having the (M) go to West 4th on weekends gives those riders two key transfer points in Broadway-Lafayette and West 4th. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 11 06:56:56 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 10 14:58:28 2016. 4, 5, 6, N, Q and R are ALL in the opposite direction (going downtown first before going uptown) and except for Times Square can be gotten with the 6, A, C, D and E (and even in the case of Times Square, that's a ONE block walk).This way also would double trains stop at both 14th and 23rd Street on 6th Avenue as the D and F would both stop there on weekends. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 11 07:02:29 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 17:50:23 2016. Exactly! |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Jan 11 07:21:39 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 12:38:46 2016. There is such a thing as platform signs, and trains do show up on local verses express track based on time of day or day of week throuhout the system. That is a cockamamie excuse to do nothing.Yes, there'd presumably be signs posted as with every GO. However, there is always some confusion nonetheless. What I've asked before and will ask again— what's the benefit to sending the M to West 4th? Arguing that the problems of passenger confusion and more switching are minimal doesn't change the fact that they are problems; what benefit is there to sending the M to West 4th rather than Chambers that makes these problems worthwhile? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Jan 11 07:26:13 2016, in response to Re: Extending M to West 4th Weekends, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 11 06:52:32 2016. How many M train riders are there who need said transfer points? How much time will they save as a result of them? How much additional work is required for switching? How many people will be inconvenienced by it? How often will significant problems occur (eg, switch breaks; train breaks while traversing switch fouling two tracks)? How many people will be how inconvenienced by same? How much additional maintenance must be performed on switches that are used regularly?There are a lot of issues you simply gloss over with your grand plans. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 11 10:28:25 2016, in response to Re: Extending M to West 4th Weekends, posted by Nilet on Mon Jan 11 07:26:13 2016. M riders lose 5/6/N/Q/R access but gain A/C/D/E.D and F riders get randomly delayed by a few minutes because of trains crossing ahead of them, or their train not being able to cross. Looks like a net disimprovement in service to me. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Mon Jan 11 12:26:18 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Nilet on Mon Jan 11 07:21:39 2016. One benefit is direct access to and from the 6th Ave line without having to do the stair climbing at Essex/Delancey. If anything, the M can probably turn at Queens Plaza so you can avoid all the switching hoopla at W 4th.Vader |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 11 13:01:55 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Lord Vader on Mon Jan 11 12:26:18 2016. Under this scenario NYCT would not be able to run weekend OPTO because 4 cars couldn't handle the crowds and there would be long station dwell time on Sixth Ave. It would be a budget breaker. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 11 13:46:25 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Lord Vader on Mon Jan 11 12:26:18 2016. Queens Plaza sounds like the ideal spot since 57th cant be used. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 11 15:54:47 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 11 13:01:55 2016. Why wouldn’t 4 cars be able to handle the minimum crowds that would be riding a train that normally doesn’t operate along 6 Av on weekends anyhow? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 11 16:07:32 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 11 15:54:47 2016. Right now if I'm at 14th and 6th waiting to go uptown I wait for a 10-car F until it arrives.Now instead I wait for the next train, namely a 10-car F or 4-car M, whichever comes first. Except I have no idea the M is 4 cars. so when an M comes, I may be out of range. Especially at 14th where the vast majority of the traffic comes from the very south end of the platform. Do you stop the train in the middle or at the south end? Whichever you do, people will be holding doors open. And suppose it's been 8 minutes since the last F. There will be big crowds trying to get into the M. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 11 17:46:37 2016, in response to Re: Extending M to West 4th Weekends, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 11 10:28:25 2016. But they get brought close to midtown with transfer at W4th than Chambers. That's why a lot more Bushwick and Ridgewood people are choosing the overcrowded L over the M. The M is a schlep, whether you change at Essex, Canal, or Chambers |
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Posted by The silence on Mon Jan 11 18:23:07 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Sun Jan 10 17:50:23 2016. No, you're talking about doing things for the customer, yet are taking away service from another line.Cutting express service and adding switch moves is ok so long as it's to avoid a dirty station? That seems remarkably vain. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 11 18:42:58 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by The silence on Mon Jan 11 18:23:07 2016. It is not "taking" service from any line : Chambers street ONLY is a terminus because of a track failure at Essex. W4th would be an extension.The last time I saw viewed weekend M trains in October mid-day on a Saturday, there were zero - 10 people per car south of Essex. Might as well have the train avoid the sewer of the station because the customer already has. Making 14th adds 23rd adds a minute to the schedule. B.F.D. Adding switching moves is only a problem if you submit to MTA's incompetence as acceptable. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 11 19:10:46 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 11 18:42:58 2016. More than a minute. You are not computing 10 MPH over the switches entering 34th and entering W.4th. southbound. In addition to the M & D having to cross in front of each other at W.4th.Noble venture but IDK how a 80+ year old interlocking machines @ W.4th & 34th can handle it. Once those machines are replaced some day now we're talking. But once the signals and interlocking machines are modernized/replaced on the IND portion of the M line, then send it out to CTL 19/7. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 11 19:16:18 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 11 19:10:46 2016. That 80 y.o. equipment needs to get replaced then. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 11 19:41:39 2016, in response to Re: Why do they extend the M to Chambers on some Weekends?, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 11 19:16:18 2016. The W.4th tower machine and some inner workings were featured in a video produced by transit and shown here highlighting the need for its' replacement.The people who work in the towers do the best they can with the antiquated equipment they have. The lazy do nothing dispatchers (as you call them), who work and when needed adjust the schedules set by Operations Planning downtown in accordance with how well the railroad is performing. |
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