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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 29 08:47:26 2015 Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First RunsThe first train of Kawasaki R-62’s begins service today on the #4 Lexington Avenue Express. The consist was (S) 1301,1306,1308,1302,1311,1307,1305,1309,1310,1303 Source: NYD Bulletin December 1983 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Nov 30 00:11:18 2015, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 29 08:47:26 2015. During hat years was the entire fleet converted to full-width caB?Thanks. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 30 07:30:26 2015, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 29 08:47:26 2015. That was the metaphorical "Dawn of a New Day", for sure. Thank you for posting. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 30 20:07:04 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 30 07:30:26 2015. I wonder how many people clamored trying to board that train. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 1 05:32:34 2015, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 29 08:47:26 2015. I remember that well. Up to that point, the (4) had been almost exclusively R-17s for some time with an occasional R-21/22 thrown in and the occasional train of R-26/29/33s. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 1 14:39:24 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 30 20:07:04 2015. I remember the first time I saw R62 or R62As (don't know which), and I was absolutely amazed. It was the day after Thanksgiving, 1987, and not having been on the subway in quite a while, I was expecting filthy, noisy, half-destroyed SMEEs on the IRT (I didn't know an R12 from an R36WF back then).I knew the TA was making an attempt to clean things up, but I thought the newest car was an R46 (whose # I also did not know). That day, I rode the #1, the #4, #6, and the TS Shuttle. I can still recall who amazed I was. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 1 14:39:57 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 1 14:39:24 2015. *how |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 1 16:02:44 2015, in response to Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 29 08:47:26 2015. I was breaking in as a trainmaster in August of 1983 when the first R-62, 1301 was delivered. It was on the rear end of a train of standard SMEEs and may or may not have actually been operating although as I recall, the 3rd rail shoes were operative. I was able to sit in the cab for a few minutes to check it out. The train stopped at w 4 St for inspection by TA brass and when I remarked about how nice it was, T/Mast Cranston commented, “it’s an R-36.” He didn’t seem too impressed and it seems neither were any of the other trainmasters and superintendents present. If I recall, the GS of the transportation dept, Milton Carter agreed with Cranston as to its similarity to an R-36. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs |
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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Dec 1 17:00:13 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs, posted by randyo on Tue Dec 1 16:02:44 2015. NYCT went back to tried and true technology on these cars (and also the R-68 as well) after the debacles of the 1970's with the R-44 and especially the R-46 cars which had a whole host of technical problems when they were new including motors falling off of cars due to defective trucks. The biggest complaint about the R-62's were their Japanese designed seats which were not designed for American butts. There is a set which has different seats I think it is 1586-90. However these cars did come with A/C which no IRT car had before (except R-15 6239 and the R-17 experimentals). |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 1 18:12:43 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs, posted by murray1575 on Tue Dec 1 17:00:13 2015. The tight seating was not the result of a Japanese design, which seems to be the popular myth. The fact was that the MTA wanted to have bucket style seating like the R-44s and 46s but also wanted to make sure that the cars seated a certain number of passengers. The buckets were designed small at the request of the MTA, not to fit Japanese butts. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Dec 1 20:18:12 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs, posted by randyo on Tue Dec 1 18:12:43 2015. Thanks for explaining this situation. Regardless of the seating these cars were a big improvement over the heavily vandalized and neglected cars they replaced. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 2 08:27:30 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs, posted by randyo on Tue Dec 1 16:02:44 2015. I have no insider expertise, or even any real mechanical knowledge- so I will accept your word, and the words of others, that the R62/62A68/68A were really just SMEEs with stainless steel bodies and A/C.But to my untrained eye, ear, and nose, they sure looked, sounded, and smelled different!! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 2 15:59:54 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac - November 29, 1983 - The Book of First Runs, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 2 08:27:30 2015. I use the term SMEE rather generically. The last true SMEEs on NYCTS property were the R-32s. Starting with the R-38s and continuing to the R-62 and R-68A orders the WABCO brake package was called RT-2. Among the slight differences between it and the SMEE were the use of an ME-43 brake valve instead of the ME42B (and earlier ME 42 and 42A) bake valves found on SMEE equipment and the use of a load sensor instead of the variable load valve which is why the R-38 and up and most GOHs lack the puff of air that used to be heard whenever the guard lights went out. The exhaust from the R-38s through 42s also sounded a bit different from the earlier SMEEs and emitted what has often been referred to on this forum as the “Darth Vader” sound. The Exhaust from the R-62s and 68As was different again and to me was more reminiscent of the exhaust from IRT Hi-Vs and Flivvers. The R-62As and R-68s as well as some of the GOHs had the NYAB version of the SMEE which was called Newtran and that sounded different from the WABCO and actually seems closer to the sound of the older SMEEs. Mechanically, however the cars were extremely similar in operation and all could run together although they were not operated together in passenger service. |
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