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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 2 10:10:12 2015 Politico New York
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 2 12:41:19 2015, in response to PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 2 10:10:12 2015. Sure, if this surcharge is applied equally to NJT customers using the current Hudson tunnels. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 2 16:08:38 2015, in response to Re: PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 2 12:41:19 2015. Back in the 1960s, the federal government charged a 10¢ tax on passenger rail tickets (80¢ in 2015 dollars), but the revenue thereof apparently went into the general fund. When I hear of stuff like this, all I think is "redux" of that era and later and worse. The gas tax goes into the general fund and then gets "transferred on paper" to the highway trust fund; a scam. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 2 17:44:18 2015, in response to PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 2 10:10:12 2015. Amtrak passengers are 10 or 20% of the passengers with at best 3 trains per hour. It is NJT that needs the new tunnels. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 2 18:41:45 2015, in response to Re: PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 2 17:44:18 2015. NJT needs its own station in Manhattan really. $10 billion is more than enough for something like that. I keep drawing a straight line from East End in Hoboken to a station under Houston Street that leads to the Bushwick Branch on the other side of the East River; but that's a pipe dream of course. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 2 19:57:26 2015, in response to Re: PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 2 17:44:18 2015. Hence, my proposal: Amtrak creates a temporary measure (such as a temporary station on the waterfront with a ferry/bus to Penn Station) and then closes both tunnels for repairs. NJT cancelled the new tunnels, let them figure out what to do. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 3 15:54:27 2015, in response to Re: PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 2 19:57:26 2015. So you're proposing a "no build" with respect to Gateway? Won't help Amtrak even if you forced NJT's Hoboken Division back into Hoboken in totum.Where's the "temporary station on the waterfront" supposed to be, eh? Exchange Place Terminal has been closed for almost 54 years and there's nothing left. Audrey Zapp's ghost stands guard over the CRRNJ terminal location (thanks to Jersey City politicians). NJT does have the last waterfront terminal, but it's useless to Amtrak unless a calamity shuts both tunnels, and Acela can't use the low platforms. Amtrak would lose a lot of business if they couldn't have through service to Boston these days never mind connecting service to other Amtrak trains, and there would by necessity be no Acela service on one half of the NEC. Trying to say that the ARC tunnels were supposed to be all-NJT, seriously?? They never were, not even with that last misguided proposal that was not able to access NYP. And nothing gets solved with the big return to the waterfront. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 3 16:45:31 2015, in response to Re: PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Nilet on Fri Oct 2 19:57:26 2015. NJT's ARC tunnels was nothing more than a branch line to Macy's Bunker.No sense punishing al NJT and Amtrak riders for its cancellation. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 3 17:13:22 2015, in response to Re: PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 3 16:45:31 2015. Very true.JMHO, but for the money spent on the LIRR ESA, they could have tunneled further south through Manhattan and under the East River into Brooklyn to join up with the Atlantic Avenue Branch. You know, since the MTA wants to be so provincial and all. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 3 18:01:34 2015, in response to Re: PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 3 17:13:22 2015. Does New Jersey pay MTA taxes? Have you ever seen how large the amounts are? If New Jersey was willing to pay, I'm sure we can run a train or two over there. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Oct 3 23:46:55 2015, in response to PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 2 10:10:12 2015. Chrisco's surefire way to graft his way to the top:1) Steal PANJNY money from NJ rail commuters and use it for highway repairs to funnel more people into PANJNY tunnels. 2) Charge NJ rail commuters to use the tunnel that should have been financed by the money that was stolen from them. 3) ???? 4) Profit! |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Oct 3 23:46:55 2015, in response to PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 2 10:10:12 2015. Chrisco's surefire way to graft his way to the top:1) Steal PANJNY money from NJ rail commuters and use it for highway repairs to funnel more people into PANJNY tunnels. 2) Charge NJ rail commuters to use the tunnel that should have been financed by the money that was stolen from them. 3) ???? 4) Profit! |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 3 23:59:37 2015, in response to Re: PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 3 15:54:27 2015. So you're proposing a "no build" with respect to Gateway? Won't help Amtrak even if you forced NJT's Hoboken Division back into Hoboken in totum.Hardly. The idea is that NJ will cough up the money to avoid being shut out of Penn Station— because you're fooling yourself to think that Hoboken can handle a rush hour load on its own. Where's the "temporary station on the waterfront" supposed to be, eh? Just outside the current tunnel entrance. Platform, bus, boat that ferries it to Manhattan. Amtrak would lose a lot of business if they couldn't have through service to Boston these days never mind connecting service to other Amtrak trains, and there would by necessity be no Acela service on one half of the NEC. The bus/boat bridge would certainly be an annoyance if it came to that, but it wouldn't mean the complete loss of through service, connections, or Acela. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Oct 4 09:43:10 2015, in response to Re: PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Nilet on Sat Oct 3 23:59:37 2015. Just outside the current tunnel entrance. Platform, bus, boat that ferries it to ManhattanGet some of these and you won't need the boat. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Mon Oct 5 08:13:48 2015, in response to Re: PANYNJ commissioner pushes Amtrak surcharge to pay for Gateway, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 2 16:08:38 2015. Exactly...the lockbox has no bottom. |
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