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Question about Museum Equipment |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 31 18:29:38 2015 Does anyone have information on a possible move of museum equipment up to 207? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 31 19:40:53 2015, in response to Question about Museum Equipment, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 31 18:29:38 2015. My question would be, as older motormen (sorry, train operators) retire, are they any other younger T/Os being qualified on the older equiptment? Whats the procedure for that happening, as in do T/Os volunteer for the classes. Are they any special classes needed to operate the pre war equiptment even held?? I was told awhile back that new hires are not being qualified on any museum equiptment.Just wonderin |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 31 22:54:09 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 31 19:40:53 2015. Absolutely. They come from "C division"(miscellaneous equipment) and operate all sorts of weird things. In fact, the son of one of my partners in crime is one of quite a few fully qualified and just as expert on the old equipment as his dad was.They volunteer for the duty and have the time in that allows them to qualify. And they're just as good at it as those of us who ran those toys years ago. :) |
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Re: Question about Museum Equipment |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue Sep 1 11:00:21 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 31 19:40:53 2015. Yes there are younger ones being trained, just look at who was operating during the BMT Anniversary, they look pretty young to me mixed in with the old hands.This is from observation only, YMMV |
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Posted by P.Opus on Wed Sep 2 19:03:09 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 31 19:40:53 2015. The more interesting question is what will happen to museum equipment outings as more of the system gets CBTC deployed... obviously not a huge issue in the near term but 20 years from now? |
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Posted by bzuck on Wed Sep 2 20:50:21 2015, in response to Question about Museum Equipment, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 31 18:29:38 2015. I have had the same thought. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 3 20:36:24 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 31 22:54:09 2015. I've met that fellow you're referring to. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 20:42:36 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 3 20:36:24 2015. Steve's a real good guy. Runs them all nice and smooth. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 4 20:17:53 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 20:42:36 2015. Yes, he does. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 4 20:56:38 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 4 20:17:53 2015. Runs in the family! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 5 11:36:14 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 4 20:56:38 2015. I spoke with Big Ed on the phone once. He was in Metro Denver on a visit and we were going to hook up, but it didn't pan out. |
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Posted by CJ on Sat Sep 5 16:22:34 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by P.Opus on Wed Sep 2 19:03:09 2015. I asked that question before on Facebook I believe it was. From what I was told, I think the museum equipment will be fitted with cab signals, so that they can operate on all the lines with CBTC. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 5 16:43:07 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by CJ on Sat Sep 5 16:22:34 2015. That is probably easy to do on the cars that have at least one unpowered axle like the R-9s, Steels and Ds but I wonder how it will be handled on SMEES that have all axles powered. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Sep 5 18:12:26 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 5 16:43:07 2015. Take the motor out of one of the trucks and put the CBTC equipment in? . |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 5 19:57:43 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 5 16:43:07 2015. Didn't the BMT standards have maximum traction trucks, with one powered axle and one unpowered axle per truck? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 5 20:49:35 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Sep 5 18:12:26 2015. That would probably be the only way, but then the motor control system on those cars would have to be readjusted to compensate for the loss of the motors. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 5 20:50:07 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 5 19:57:43 2015. Correct, so installing CBTC would not be problem on those cars. |
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CBTC- Was: Re: Question about Museum Equipment |
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Posted by jabrams on Sat Sep 5 23:28:15 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Sep 5 18:12:26 2015. What happens when CBTC is installed on the Queens Blvd line? It will not be compatable with the original system on the "L" line. Not that they presently mingle, but an "M" train could wind up on the "L" tracks due to a car shortage. When the "J" line (also with 8 cars gets the system, then what? |
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Re: CBTC- Was: Re: Question about Museum Equipment |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Sep 6 01:35:28 2015, in response to CBTC- Was: Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by jabrams on Sat Sep 5 23:28:15 2015. Who says it won't be compatible? Unless I'm mistaken, the goal is to ensure that everything is cross compatible. |
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Re: CBTC- Was: Re: Question about Museum Equipment |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 6 01:40:51 2015, in response to Re: CBTC- Was: Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Sep 6 01:35:28 2015. More importantly, if it's not, there are cards and frames to plug them into. As long as the backplanes for the hardware is compatible pin for pi, you can swap cards as the cars change lines if necessary. Each manufacturer may have their own frequencies and signal designs, but as long as the plug-ins can be swapped out, no real issue there.Sure hope that was part of the designs though. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Sep 6 02:18:40 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 5 20:50:07 2015. Except that all wheels were presumably equipped with brakes on those cars. CBTC as implemented on the R179s and R188 requires the wheel to not only be unpowered, but also unbraked to serve as the odometer that provides fine positioning data to the computer. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Sep 6 02:22:25 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 5 16:43:07 2015. NYCT could for once give something that didn't work a second shot after giving industry an opportunity to improve on the technology rather than automatically adopting a simpler solution which impairs their operation. NYCT has discarded so many technologies which went on to be improved and adapted by other systems because they simply didn't work the first time they used them. The optical rail imaging system used on the R143 could be adapted for use on museum equipment that has all wheels powered, and they may find that with some work it could be superior to the unbraked idler axle they've gone with on current orders. |
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Re: CBTC- Was: Re: Question about Museum Equipment |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 6 08:53:37 2015, in response to Re: CBTC- Was: Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 6 01:40:51 2015. Nothing like the "works in a drawer" on those Quasar TV sets from Motorola, eh?:) |
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Re: CBTC- Was: Re: Question about Museum Equipment |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Sep 6 09:21:05 2015, in response to CBTC- Was: Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by jabrams on Sat Sep 5 23:28:15 2015. The middle track on the Culver EL has two different CBTC systems for testing purposes, IDK maybe they are refitting that track to test out this situation?If they're not compatible then I don't think it would be a issue IMO, wouldn't be no different than how Pikin & 207th sends out trains where generally can't use the 46s on the (C) cause its not a full length line. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Sep 6 09:54:33 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by randyo on Sat Sep 5 20:49:35 2015. I wouldn't think you can run a SMEE with one trucks. It would totally ruin series parallel configuration. You would need more resister grids to compensate for switching for lack of the other two motors and IF you made it to 20-30MPH so to actually use shunting and hit them with 600, forget about dynamic since you cant use full air on dummy truck and sliding on motors. I'd think adding motors was easier for the R9s. How did they disable R44 motors during testing, did they really cut out pairs of motors or did they just drop out a car via 1 through 8 and/GS? Its a lot of rewiring |
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Posted by numbersix on Sun Sep 6 11:10:55 2015, in response to Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 31 22:54:09 2015. Amen brother. I know who you're talking about and he's top notch. |
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Re: CBTC- Was: Re: Question about Museum Equipment |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 6 15:41:19 2015, in response to Re: CBTC- Was: Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 6 08:53:37 2015. Works for server farms too. :)
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Re: CBTC- Was: Re: Question about Museum Equipment |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Sep 6 17:37:16 2015, in response to Re: CBTC- Was: Re: Question about Museum Equipment, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Sep 6 01:35:28 2015. Unless I'm mistaken, the goal is to ensure that everything is cross compatible.That was the goal. However, NYCT allowed Siemens to convince it to use Siemens own proprietary digital communications system (DCS) for the Canary Sea implementation. The DCS is the radio communication system between trains and wayside equipment. It's what the Bell System did prior to the Carterphone decision. Prior to this all the vendors used a commercial radio transmitter that used an internet protocol interface to connect to trainborne and wayside equipment. Siemens did not really have an in-house proprietary system. They bought a radio transmitter/receiver from another vendor and kludged something together. The problem is the radio transmitter is no longer made. This is one reason it has been so difficult to expand rush hour service on the 14th St line. There's no off the shelf conversion kit that NYCT can order to run some R160's on the 14th St Line. Most CBTC installations that use radio for the DCS, use a variant of wireless internet - IEEE 802.11. Supposedly that's what will be used by NYCT for the Flushing Line and additional conversions. Unfortunately, Tom Sullivan died so there is nobody publicly tracking what NYCT is doing. |
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