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Warning! This Post is About 76th Street |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Sep 1 23:34:27 2015 ... and it's a link to a short article about it.Remember, you have been warned. --Mark |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 1 23:58:53 2015, in response to Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Sep 1 23:34:27 2015. Heh. Brennan's article front and center. :) |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Sep 2 00:47:53 2015, in response to Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Sep 1 23:34:27 2015. They looked at the wrong wall.. |
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Posted by MTA T on Wed Sep 2 03:58:23 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Sep 2 00:47:53 2015. Chill yo the cinderblock wall is next to the solid one in the last photo lol. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 2 06:47:36 2015, in response to Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Sep 1 23:34:27 2015. Nobody tell them to look at the date on Brennan's page. And pass the popcorn ... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 09:07:44 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 2 06:47:36 2015. They already did. Which was obvious if you looked at the linked article. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 2 09:22:27 2015, in response to Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Sep 1 23:34:27 2015. I wonder where those photos were taken. Third rail track on a LOW-LEVEL platform. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 2 10:14:11 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 2 09:22:27 2015. Bingo!!! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 2 10:30:29 2015, in response to Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Sep 1 23:34:27 2015. Very interesting. Thank you for posting. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Sep 2 11:00:04 2015, in response to Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Sep 1 23:34:27 2015. Remember, you have been warned.Where is Tunnelrat when we need him? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Sep 2 11:47:14 2015, in response to Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Sep 1 23:34:27 2015. Thanks for the warning but I still couldn't resist :) |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Sep 2 13:10:25 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 2 09:07:44 2015. OWNED!!!!But in Chris's very very slight defense: 1. The article has been updated at some point since last night (possibly after Chris "read" it this morning) to add an earlier mention that the Brennan page is a joke. 2. When viewing the article on a mobile browser, I saw, and still see, a large ad separating the discussion of the Brennan page and the original mention of it being a joke. As on many such pages, upon seeing the large ad, the reader can be confused into thinking that that is the end of the article. Of course, now that the author added the earlier mention of it being a joke, it isn't such a big issue any more. In conclusion, if Chris read this article AFTER the most recent update, then he's been MEGA MEGA OWNED! |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Sep 2 13:18:45 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 2 09:22:27 2015. I wonder where those photos were taken. Third rail track on a LOW-LEVEL platform.Are you joking or are you serious? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Sep 2 13:18:51 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 2 10:14:11 2015. huh? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 2 15:20:55 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by MTA T on Wed Sep 2 03:58:23 2015. There is NO cinderblock wall under Pitkin Av!!! The cinderblock walls are at the ends of Yd leads A7 and A8 slightly northeast of Pitkin Yard and approximately under the median of Conduit Blvd. I’ve been to both locations and by the way, the cinderblock walls were not put there until after 1962. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 2 15:23:43 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 2 09:22:27 2015. That’s not a low level platform. It is merely a track level space between the tracks at the point where they separate to allow for the tk A7 and A8 ramps to defend from Pitkin Yd. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Sep 2 16:17:24 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 1 23:58:53 2015. At first, I thought the author fell for it, but in the following paragraph, it's mentioned that it was an April Fools joke.--Mark |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Sep 2 16:19:24 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Q4 on Wed Sep 2 11:47:14 2015. Resistance is futile, I know! :)--Mark |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 2 16:26:50 2015, in response to Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Sep 1 23:34:27 2015. In the opinion of the Raskin's book "The Routes Not Taken", it does not exist, and spends a page or two explaining why not.I'll go with that. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Sep 2 17:47:28 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 2 16:26:50 2015. I believe in it, due to tunnelrat. If you can trust anyone, its tunnelrat.By the way, the BOT doesn't want you to see 76 street on the signal board. See at 8:00 |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 2 18:14:28 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Sep 2 17:47:28 2015. It’s interesting that you say the B of T doesn’t want anyone to see 76 St on the Euclid model board since the 1948 B of T annual report has a photo of the Euclid interlocking machine with 76 St in plain view. I have spoken to too many people who did not know each other, claim to have been in the 76 St station shell and describe it exactly the same way to doubt its existence. This was by the way long before the current brouhaha about 76 surfaced on either SubTalk or SubChat. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 2 18:23:10 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Sep 2 16:17:24 2015. Yep ... but he sure did seem to buy that "one month of service" though. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Sep 2 20:05:35 2015, in response to Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Sep 1 23:34:27 2015. Those look like new pictures-- interesting. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 2 21:41:23 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 2 15:23:43 2015. Thanks for the straightforward explanation. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 2 22:29:07 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Sep 2 20:05:35 2015. I agree, good pics. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Wed Sep 2 23:20:11 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 2 16:26:50 2015. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a fool. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Wed Sep 2 23:32:03 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 2 21:41:23 2015. You were serious?!!??! You've got to be shitting me. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 3 01:32:04 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 2 18:14:28 2015. This isn't meant to dispute what you've written here, but on the IND track map, Rogoff states all structures beyond the bulkhead planned but never built.Any ideas why would he have said that? He seemed to be very detailed and meticulous with his construction histories. Could that just be a mistake on his part? A mistaken assumptions since maybe he'd never inspected that track area, nor spoken with anyone who was familiar with the structures? Thanks. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 01:44:33 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 2 18:14:28 2015. And just to add to what you've said, when I came on board back in 1970 there were still a few original IND hires that I talked to who told me pretty much the exact same things you heard. That the tunnel and steel work was completed to just a little past 76th Street, that the station shells had been built and one side partially tiled and that the trackwork ended just before the downgrade to 76th and that they had been back there and seen it themselves before it was all closed up and disused. But hey ... they're probably all gone now to that layup in the sky and there's nobody left to step forward anymore.And so ... Area 51 I suppose. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 01:45:55 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 3 01:32:04 2015. Historians do tend to insist on ironclad documentation for their research and if there's no paperwork then it never happened. I can understand his caution. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 3 01:47:41 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 01:45:55 2015. yep. I know wbat you mean. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 3 01:50:35 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 01:44:33 2015. The more oral accounts that people have heard from experiened transit workers over the years, the more likely that (hopefully) access to this area will be gained someday. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 01:52:53 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 3 01:47:41 2015. I believe the folks I worked with many years ago as to its existence. There was no way for me to confirm one way or the other either. But these were folks who didn't know each other and the details were the same. Could it be mass hysteria or a common pookah? Sure. But several of them were not at all the type that would kid around, so I tend to believe them.As to educrat types though, it's all about the attributions and "citation required" ... they're sticklers for that. Must be a real challenge these days with the internet constantly playing hide and seek with documentation. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 02:04:46 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 3 01:50:35 2015. There were a good number of them on nycsubway.org and in the old subtalk archives as well as here. There's also thejoekorner.com, and Paul Matus' site is still up: http://myrecollection.com/And there's also http://www.stationreporter.net/ once Peggy gets it lit up again. Joe Brennan's pages are still there: http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/abandoned/ There's also a decent eBook available at the Gutenberg project here: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17569?msg=welcome_stranger And I'm probably forgetting lots more. :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 3 07:16:52 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 01:44:33 2015. Rumors spread before the advent of the Internet too. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Sep 3 08:28:09 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Sep 2 16:19:24 2015. >>Resistance is futile76th Street will live forever! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 3 09:29:44 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 3 07:16:52 2015. And it was worse because there was no way of debunking it on the spot. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Sep 3 11:13:24 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 01:52:53 2015. Like I've said before the only way this will be settled if GPR is used to locate ANYTHING below the street that would a shell or a station, until then this argument will just continue. Karl |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Sep 3 12:24:37 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 2 15:20:55 2015. the wall is at north conduit,not under the center median. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Sep 3 12:31:52 2015, in response to Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Sep 1 23:34:27 2015. I can`t pull up the photos,somebody please link them. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Sep 3 13:38:05 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Sep 3 11:13:24 2015. Be careful about getting the GPR ...At the 1964 World’s Fair at Flushing Meadows, buried between the Hall of Science and the Port Authority Heliport, was a underground luxury home and bomb shelter. The underground home was supposedly demolished after the World’s Fair had closed down but many people, such as historian Dr. Lori Walters, believe that part of the exhibit remains and in 2014, she applied for permits in 2014 from the Parks Department to locate the structure using ground-penetrating radar. No news has come since… Could Dr. Walters be buried at 76th Street now? The plot thickens .... --Mark |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 3 13:45:06 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 3 02:04:46 2015. Thanks for the links.There have been more personal recollections at Paul Matus' site since I last visited it, so I'll check them out. The ebook link is be to the "IRT Its Construction and Equipment." Joe Brennan's I've been to, as well as Peggy's - did her site have anything specific on 76th St.? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 3 13:51:23 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Sep 3 13:38:05 2015. Reading your post kind of rings a bell about the exhibit (did I read about it in the paperback Fair guide maybe?), but I don't think my family and I were ever there - if so, I have no recollection of it; and we saw pretty much everything at the Fair during it's two summer seasons. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 3 13:57:47 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 3 07:16:52 2015. There were two "senior" railfans from back in the day - TA employees and ERA members, Martin Schachne and George Horn, both of whom I was told, did extensive exploring of all abandoned and unused structures in the subway system - this would have been early 60s or well before.I don't know how much of their results they shared with other railfans, verbally or otherwise (written articles etc.), but I wonder if they had explored this area? |
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Posted by K. Trout on Thu Sep 3 14:07:27 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 3 13:57:47 2015. Just to play devil's advocate here - suppose they assumed that nothing was built beyond the bulkheads and so never went looking? :) |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 3 14:24:53 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Sep 3 12:24:37 2015. OK, thanks. Although I’ve been in there, it’s really hard to tell from underground exactly where it relates above ground. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Sep 3 15:33:18 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Sep 3 13:38:05 2015. why doesn't one of us use a ground-penetrating radar to see if 76th street is real or not? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Sep 3 15:42:57 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Sep 3 15:33:18 2015. Because it costs money that so far no one has put up. And also because the results of the GPR need to be professionally interpreted, I assume, and even then would still be a matter of opinion, possibly. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 3 15:59:35 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by K. Trout on Thu Sep 3 14:07:27 2015. That adds a bit more spice to all the "loose ends" - no plans, docs., etc. about the structure that keep coming up. :-)I don't know about Martin Schachne's experience (met him once on a 60s fantrip, a nice guy - gave me his business card, but I never contacted him further), but George Horn began as an original IND employee in the 1930s, so he would know if anyone. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 3 16:02:08 2015, in response to Re: Warning! This Post is About 76th Street, posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 3 15:59:35 2015. "would know if anyone."should read, "would have known..." sadly he has since passed on. |
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