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"Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express" |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 18 19:00:48 2015 http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/08/17/lirr-federal-probe/ |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 18 19:25:38 2015, in response to "Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express", posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 18 19:00:48 2015. For some reason, I can't open your link |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 18 19:36:25 2015, in response to "Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express", posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 18 19:00:48 2015. Well, I get it on Firefox. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 18 20:34:13 2015, in response to "Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express", posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 18 19:00:48 2015. The article mentions "commuters," but it's not a commuter train with the first stop at Westhampton.I think it's time to dig back into history and fire up an "Advance Cannonball." |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 18 20:35:00 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 18 19:25:38 2015. LION got it on Ubuntu and Firefox. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 18 20:38:14 2015, in response to "Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express", posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 18 19:00:48 2015. I guess the LIRR never thought about running a second section to this train. Probly not enough locomotives or cars. They should fix that for one extra train a week? No, but ridership is exploding all across the MTA, so they will knead more scheduled trains anyway. Can they pull 16 or 18 cars? BNSF pulls 112 cars without problems, so just make the train longer.ROAR |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 18 20:39:56 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 18 20:38:14 2015. All LIRR platforms are high level now, so they probably don't want to have to make all stops in two passes.A second section is what is needed, I agree. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Aug 18 20:57:04 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 18 19:25:38 2015. That's because it's not a link. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Aug 18 21:01:54 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 18 20:38:14 2015. They don't have anywhere close to enough equipment. The LIRR is a mess. Reading The Long Island Railroad Today blog is fascinating, but kind of depressing too, as it shows just how much of a mess the LIRR is, and how little margin for error they have left themselves with. They don't have enough equipment, enough electrification, enough tracks, enough anything.Also, pax equipment can't necessarily scale like BNSF's freights. There's HEP, and the ability to get out of it's own way. Those freights can't get out of their own ways. Nowhere close. And Amtrak's HEP system, which may be beefier, seems to be limited at something like 18 cars on the AutoTrain. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Aug 18 21:13:57 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 18 20:34:13 2015. When did the LIRR stop running the Advance Cannonball? |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 18 21:36:58 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Aug 18 20:57:04 2015. Correct... but not being into "gotcha" I still cant access it. Did I word it better?? |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Aug 18 22:52:41 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 18 21:36:58 2015. One correct way to say it would be "I can't access that URL".Anyhow, no one else seems to be having the problem you're having. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 19 01:42:24 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Aug 18 21:01:54 2015. Is it possible for the LIRR to grab locomotives and cars somewhere else, even if they are incompatible with the double deckers? What about if the MTA pays to fix up those flooded out NJT Comet cars? |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Aug 19 01:44:59 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 19 01:42:24 2015. Rebuild the FL9's at Croton. I believe the GP-40P's are too tall for Jamaica Station. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 19 01:56:11 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Aug 19 01:44:59 2015. I never could comprehend why they couldn't just raise the roofs instead of chopping the locomotives there. I'll bet the FL9's would scrape them too. :( |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Aug 19 01:57:25 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 19 01:56:11 2015. More of their brilliant engineering. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 19 02:01:07 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Aug 19 01:57:25 2015. There has GOT to be some sort of logic to chopping locomotives for all those years though. Sure can't imagine what it was though. Even the Paturkey motors had to be custom designed to clear those. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Aug 19 02:10:04 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 18 19:25:38 2015. I got in fine on Chrome. I did it by highlighting and then right-clicking and then using "go to" to get there. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Aug 19 02:14:35 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 18 20:34:13 2015. Obviously, they need to do that and maybe have three "Cannoballs" on Fridays:One the train as it is now. A second that is an all-reserved train. A third that is an all-unreserved train. If necessary, a fourth "Cannonball" can be added that can be a second all-unreserved train if needed. |
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UPDATED article Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Aug 19 02:32:07 2015, in response to "Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express", posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 18 19:00:48 2015. Updated version of article from Monday on safety concerns with the Friday "Cannonball Express" and other LIRR trains. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:15:01 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Dave on Tue Aug 18 21:13:57 2015. It runs about 2 hours earlier than 20 years ago. Saves a trainset. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:16:58 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 19 01:56:11 2015. METRA E8's and MN FL9's cleared it in the 1990's.Genesis would make it through. But LIRR has 32 pin MU cables. So nothing is compatible. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 19 09:19:47 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:15:01 2015. That's not really an "Advance" train. Advance trains or second sections run as close in time to the main train that passengers who want the main train have another choice.You know the Cannonball WAS an all-Pullman, all-reserved train like the Panama or the Broadway. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 19 09:22:10 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Aug 19 02:14:35 2015. If, as the article implies, there are as much as 1/3 standees on the Cannonball, that implies the need for a single second section or perhaps an unreserved train and a reserved train, like the Panama Limited's coach train was the City of New Orleans. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 19 09:23:29 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Dave on Tue Aug 18 21:13:57 2015. I'm not sure if it lasted into the MTA era, but it was there when the PRR owned it, IIRC. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 19 09:52:02 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:16:58 2015. Forget about connecting them to the current LIRR passenger cars, I'm talking about locomotives AND matching passenger cars. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 11:21:12 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 19 09:52:02 2015. No east answer. I do not think there is a single locomotive in production today that would clear the Jamaica station canopies.There are those DMU's that GO Transit has for their airport. They could run them to Greenport or Oyster Bay to free up equipment. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Aug 19 11:27:54 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 19 01:56:11 2015. I never understood why they didn't raise the height of the canopies as part of the renovation they did to the station and platforms during the construction of the Jamaica Air Train Terminal. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Aug 19 11:30:32 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 19 09:19:47 2015. What's with this reserved seating crap, this ain't no airline it's a freaking railroad. Karl |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 11:47:01 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Q4 on Wed Aug 19 11:27:54 2015. They seemed more impressed with themselves to replicate the old station that do anything proactive.Where are there other tight clearances ? What about the underjumps west of Woodside, and the approaches to Jamaica station from the Atlantic Branch coming from Valley Stream and from Brooklyn ? |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 11:49:27 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Aug 19 11:30:32 2015. They have the 2 Hamptons Reserve cars, relic of the Parlor car era. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 19 12:34:53 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Aug 19 11:30:32 2015. This is the only country in the world where there is no first class, second class, and third class on the train system.It is all very proper for those who have lots of money and want to sit in a quiet car with attendants to do so. It is all very proper to have reserved seating. Airlions do that. Indeed, even though the LION does not fly foist class, him does pa the extra fee for early boarding and the front of the coach cabin seating. LIONS do not like to wait to get on or off an airplane. Him also pays extra to check his bag since him not approve of pax dragging all of that crap through the cabin, and wants not to lug luggage through four air terminals. Indeed, it would be quite proper for some enterprising individual or consortium to buy and outfit a railcar to run on this (or other) train, paying the railroad a haulage fee. Since it might be a low level car, with its own power it need not upset the logistics of the Long Island Rail Road. ROAR |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 19 13:23:51 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 19 12:34:53 2015. Amtrak has first and second class on many trains. And isn't Business Class as a sort of in-between first and second?When I still worked in the City I sometimes got the 8:30 p.m. from Penn, connect at Jamaica for the Montauk train. This makes all commuter stops east of Babylon except Bellport and on Summer Fridays it is pure hell. It's not just that it is packed with weekenders; it's packed with their luggage, which ends up everywhere, seats, racks, aisles. Not a good situation. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Aug 19 14:24:25 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 11:21:12 2015. Last I heard from a mid level friend of mine at the LIRR, that's exactly what they were looking into doing, but with having a private firm operate those 2 lines as well. I'd rather see LIRR find a way to acquire more equipment that will fit, but if that's not an option, then whatever has to be done... |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 14:52:50 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Aug 19 14:24:25 2015. No way the unions would tolerate any outsourcing of operations. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Aug 19 15:08:13 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Aug 18 21:01:54 2015. ever more reason to abolish LIRR as a separate entity and let the MN people run the show. (and before someone chimes in about some Federal distinction between them datingback to PRR andNYC, that's what the NY delegation is for--repealing same) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 19 15:34:28 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 19 13:23:51 2015. So they also need baggage cars!I think the far east end needs their own trainsets. Loco, Combine, baggage, and pax with baggage, a bar/lounge/snack car, first class cars, reserved, no baggage (must be checked), coach all seats reserved. An all reserved train applies discipline to the geese. Will prevent over booking, will encourage riders to book (and pay) in advance. Let LIRR earn some interest on their money. That is how the airlions do it. ROAR |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Aug 19 15:37:17 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Aug 19 15:08:13 2015. While we're tearing down dumb bureaucratic nonsense, can we have the New Haven Line local trains stop at the Botanical Garden on the weekends? |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Aug 19 15:38:27 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 19 15:34:28 2015. The Cannonball of yore was mostly surplus sleepers sold as parlor cars. There is equipment in private hands which could be fixed upfor service if MTA were serious. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Aug 19 15:39:35 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:16:58 2015. Somebody still has some P40's kicking around. It would have to be a totally separate set of equipment. Are NJT's or MN's signals compatible? They would have to run from LIC, pick people up at Jamaica, and then head out east.MN has some FL9's sitting around, but who knows if they're still operable or not. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 19 15:44:24 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 14:52:50 2015. A private firm runs the NY&A. If MTA sells those tracks, lock stock and locomotive, then the onions would have little to say.Onions are not the end all and be all. They are a thing whose time is mostly past, though they do not know it yet. Now the LION will tell you that the onions are a good thing, esp per safety, work rules, and renumeration, but in a well run company that takes care of and listens to their employees, they are quite unnecessary. Aye, there is the problem, some companies are still run on an adversarial basis. If this company does not suit you, quit and find one that does. If these employees do not fit in your company, let them go and find other ones... Ops... that is adversarial, we cannot do that. In my company, every employee has access to my door, and we can work things out. ROAR |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 19 16:12:57 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Aug 19 15:38:27 2015. The Cannonball of yore was mostly surplus sleepers sold as parlor cars.That was the Cannonball of the early 70s, when the MTA bought up equipment displaced from private carriers by Amtrak. Not true earlier. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 19 16:26:22 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 19 15:34:28 2015. All that equipment? For weekend summer-only trains?Penn-Montauk is over 100 miles. Penn-PHL is 90 miles. The cheapest "Saver" coach fare on Amtrak on a Regional (not an Acela) at the one of the less popular times to travel is $54.00. The same lowly accommodation at a peak popular train if you reserve close to train time is nearly $100. The same accommodation on the LIRR is $20.50 off-peak. On-peak is $28.25. If you're really a big spender you can buy your PEAK ticket on the train and blow $34.00. There's no money for this to invest for the LIRR. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 19 16:38:27 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 19 16:12:57 2015. I heard that the LIRR was buying up parlor cars earlier than that as well, when other RRs were cutting back. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 19 16:40:48 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 11:49:27 2015. Are the Hamptons Reserve cars any different from the others? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 16:49:47 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 19 16:40:48 2015. On 3155 and 3161, they ripped out a couple of seat rows in the lower level for luggage racks, pasted up seat numbers everywhere, apply paper headrests, and stuck little cup holders to the seats or the armrests. |
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Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'' |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 16:51:10 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 19 16:38:27 2015. They has 6 wheel trucked Pullman parlors from the early 1960's They get them for $5K a piece. Most ran on the Pennsy and Lackawanna. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 16:53:06 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Aug 19 15:39:35 2015. No. LIRR signal and speed control are not compatible with MN's. They are more akin to Amtrak in the NEC south of NY. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 16:54:56 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Aug 19 15:08:13 2015. After MN proved their shitty safety culture, no way.LI delegation will stand up for their own railroad, and they will turn over Penn Station slots to East Bronx service kicking and screaming. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Aug 19 17:04:54 2015, in response to Re: ''Feds Probe Safety Concerns On LIRR’s Cannonball Express'', posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 19 16:12:57 2015. B&O swapped a 5DB obs lounge for an LIRR RDC in 1968. Pix I have seen of that car in service indicate Cannonball assignment. Sleeper lounges were already being axed from passenger trains. The PC slaughter of both PRR and NYC passenger trains in the fall of 67 (end 20th Century, rename General as B'way and many others) freed up many 1st class cars.That said, yes, Amtrak passed on many excellent cars which ended their lives in commuter services--the "New Jersey Builder" on what became NJTfor example. |
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