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Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by BusRider on Fri Apr 24 18:10:35 2015 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d April 24th, 2015 With subway ridership surging across the city, MTA New York City Transit plans to increase scheduled service on the 2 Subway Line Icon7 Subway Line IconL Subway Line Icon and M Subway Line Icon lines in December, resulting in more frequent subway trains and shorter wait times for customers. Almost all of the additional service will be scheduled during off-peak hours, which showed the highest growth last year as the subway moved more than 1.75 billion customers, the highest ridership in over 65 years. The most significant increase will be seven new weekday round trips between 10:30 a.m. and 2 p.m. on the L Subway Line Icon line, which experienced the greatest ridership growth at all hours in 2014. The new service will reduce the average time between trains to 5 minutes for the entire period between the morning and evening rush hours. NYC Transit last added service on the L Subway Line Icon line in fall 2014 with 56 more weekend round trips and an increase in weekday evening service. The 7 Subway Line Icon line will see two additional new round trips on weeknights between 8 p.m. and 10:00 p.m., reducing the average time between trains to under 4½ minutes. The 2 Subway Line Icon line will also add two new weeknight round trips between 8:30 p.m. and 9:30 p.m., reducing the average time between trains to 7½ minutes The M Subway Line Icon line will add one round trip on weekdays, reducing the average time between trains to 7½ minutes between 9:00 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. “New York is a dynamic city and it continues to grow as new or better housing options become available and more people come here for jobs or school,” said NYC Transit President Carmen Bianco. “We face the challenge of serving that growing ridership at a time when real estate developers outpace the growth of the city’s infrastructure. By making these schedule changes, New York City Transit is making the most of its resources to deliver service that accurately reflects ridership in growing areas.” NYC Transit routinely reviews and revises subway schedules to accommodate changing ridership demands and to ensure that service is in compliance with loading guidelines established by the MTA Board. Following those guidelines, weekday service on the D line will decrease by one round trip split between the morning and evening rush hours. This will increase the average time to 10 minutes between 7:30 a.m. and 8:00 a.m. for Brooklyn-bound D trains and between 5:30 p.m. and 6:00 p.m. for Bronx-bound D Subway Line Icon trains. Every L Subway Line Icon station in Brooklyn saw increased ridership in 2014, with ridership demand corresponding to real estate and commercial development trends in the Williamsburg and Bushwick sections of Brooklyn. Bedford Av in Williamsburg was the busiest L Subway Line Icon station, with more than 27,000 average weekday customers, while the Bushwick Av-Aberdeen St station saw the line’s highest percentage bump in weekday ridership at 11.5 percent. In Queens, where the 7 Subway Line Icon line is a major transportation option for residents in rapidly growing neighborhoods such as Long Island City, Woodside, Sunnyside and Flushing, overall ridership grew by 1.9 percent. The Flushing-Main St 7 Subway Line Icon terminal, which serves a rapidly growing residential and business district, moved more than 60,000 customers on an average weekday, more than the combined transit hub for Chambers St A Subway Line IconC Subway Line Icon, World Trade Center E Subway Line Icon and Park Place 2 Subway Line Icon3 Subway Line Icon stations that serve major tourist destinations and the Financial District. Schedule changes on the 2 Subway Line Icon and M Subway Line Icon lines also reflect the city’s overall population growth and significant commercial development in the downtown and Flatbush sections of Brooklyn and in Long Island City, Queens. Implementation of the changes will cost approximately $1.6 million annually.
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by Edwards!* on Fri Apr 24 19:08:29 2015, in response to Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by BusRider on Fri Apr 24 18:10:35 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d A drop in the bucket compared to what's really needed. And None of these 'new trips' will take place until December 2015,which tells us nothing will change.
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by italianstallion* on Fri Apr 24 23:16:50 2015, in response to Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by BusRider on Fri Apr 24 18:10:35 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d So the D train is losing one morning trip from the Bronx and one evening trip to the Bronx. Why? In the height of the rush hour, no less.
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Posted by Concourse Express on Sat Apr 25 01:49:35 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by italianstallion on Fri Apr 24 23:16:50 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It's fucking absurd. Concourse Line ridership rises substantially and the TA responds with a slight service CUT! As far as weekdays go, EVERY station served by the (D) saw ridership increases EXCEPT 50th St on the West End. I don't get this decision.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 25 02:09:54 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Concourse Express on Sat Apr 25 01:49:35 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The D no longer runs on the Brighton, it runs on the worst end. MTA is in Brooklyn and lower Manhattan. The Bronx? Who? :(
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by Edwards!* on Sat Apr 25 11:30:53 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 25 02:09:54 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Even so,the D operates far less than it did in the past.
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by BrooklynTrain* on Sat Apr 25 12:22:04 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 25 11:30:53 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d By the time the uptown D gets to 47-50th during the evening rush at that time, it's so crowded that you sometimes cannot squeeze anyone else on. Not sure how they determined that there's no ridership on the D train??? Utterly bizarre.
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Posted by Edwards!* on Sat Apr 25 13:19:29 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by BrooklynTrain on Sat Apr 25 12:22:04 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Its surely is..
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by Concourse Express on Sat Apr 25 13:37:52 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by BrooklynTrain on Sat Apr 25 12:22:04 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I'm a witness! I transfer at the Rock for Bronx-bound service at the height of the evening rush; forget the train - it's so crowded it's hard to walk along the platform! And MTA's decision isn't just bizarre - it's boneheaded.
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by Concourse Express on Sat Apr 25 13:38:33 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 25 13:19:29 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yep.
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Apr 25 14:09:13 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by BrooklynTrain on Sat Apr 25 12:22:04 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The B train probably has some capacity and maybe this is there way of trying to force people onto the B? I mean, I've heard that its very possible to ride a B from Beford Park and NOT have a D train pass it before it gets to 59th...
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 25 14:21:53 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Concourse Express on Sat Apr 25 13:37:52 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Don't try to tell that to MTA supporters who insist the MTA follows its planning service guidelines.
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Posted by Concourse Express on Sat Apr 25 17:41:27 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 25 02:09:54 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Basically. Gonna sound the alarm about this nonsense; if the changes are effective December, there's some time to fight...
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Posted by vfrt* on Sat Apr 25 18:34:11 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Concourse Express on Sat Apr 25 17:41:27 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Fight the MTA??
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Posted by Concourse Express* on Sat Apr 25 19:02:59 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by vfrt on Sat Apr 25 18:34:11 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d As in, fight against the service cut. What did you think I meant?
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by ntrainride* on Sun Apr 26 05:11:29 2015, in response to Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by BusRider on Fri Apr 24 18:10:35 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d it is satisfying that one of the busiest lines in the city is primarily an elevated railroad running over a city street. it's like an important department of a huge corporation using jcl and ibm keypunch technology. it's groovy.
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun Apr 26 16:47:06 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 24 19:08:29 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d wrong
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun Apr 26 16:48:05 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by italianstallion on Fri Apr 24 23:16:50 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Maybe it's due to ridership?
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by Concourse Express on Mon Apr 27 11:49:44 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun Apr 26 16:48:05 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Nope. Ridership is up.
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by N6 Limited* on Mon Apr 27 12:02:13 2015, in response to Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by BusRider on Fri Apr 24 18:10:35 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d If the western L needs more service then why don't they have more short turns at Myrtle instead of increasing full round trips?
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Apr 27 12:39:53 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Concourse Express on Mon Apr 27 11:49:44 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I think it's more complicated than that. It depends on during which hours of the day the additional trips are and if the existing service levels can still accommodate the increases. If so, then there may have been a different hour where ridership dropped enough to have fewer trains.
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Posted by vfrt* on Mon Apr 27 13:26:32 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Concourse Express on Sat Apr 25 19:02:59 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That it's futile to do so although I agree that the MTA should be held accountable for cutbacks that negatively impact commutes.
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by caine515* on Mon Apr 27 14:06:13 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by BrooklynTrain on Sat Apr 25 12:22:04 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Would people use the B instead that isn't that crowded
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by Concourse Express on Mon Apr 27 17:01:51 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Apr 27 12:39:53 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I'd like to know how MTA arrived at its figures - e.g. what time(s) they measured utilization, and from which station(s). The TA press release said that most of the increases were off-peak...however, given the crush loads I encounter on the PM rush (D) daily, I'm skeptical of their finding.
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by Concourse Express* on Mon Apr 27 17:06:17 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by vfrt on Mon Apr 27 13:26:32 2015.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That it's futile to do so although I agree that the MTA should be held accountable for cutbacks that negatively impact commutes. Indeed they should!! What I feel is needed is enough people to at least raise the alarm. Enough is enough. As for futility, by myself, sure. But with many...
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by Concourse Express on Mon Apr 27 17:08:40 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Apr 25 14:21:53 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d One way to test this is to obtain MTA's utilization figures per route, along with the method(s) used to arrive at those figures. I'm sure they keep peak and off-peak utilization figures somewhere...
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 28 07:22:04 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Concourse Express on Mon Apr 27 17:01:51 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d So then ASK them before you start claiming that what they did was wrong. Sheesh.
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 28 07:23:00 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Concourse Express on Mon Apr 27 17:08:40 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That would make too much sense. Easier to just whine and complain and be an armchair NYCT Planner.
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Posted by Concourse Express on Tue Apr 28 17:52:47 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 28 07:22:04 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Oh, I will ask 'em. That the only changes to (D) service in the last 5 years were cuts is still freakin' frustrating to me. That said, as a stats geek, I'd want to see those numbers regardless.
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 28 22:09:44 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Concourse Express on Tue Apr 28 17:52:47 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The numbers are available in the Board documents on the website. If you can't find them, they will be provided to you.
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by Concourse Express on Tue Apr 28 23:06:45 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 28 22:09:44 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Thanks. So I saw the figures from the NYCT/Bus Committee report from April...65% AM/50% PM at the "peak load point?" Most (D) trains I've been over the last several years have been packed (especially lately); as such, I find those numbers hard to believe. I wonder what station is the "peak load point" for the (D)? Definitely gonna ask 'em about this...
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 28 23:23:35 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Concourse Express on Tue Apr 28 23:06:45 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Presumably five nine.
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by Concourse Express on Wed Apr 29 00:49:28 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 28 23:23:35 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d If it's 59, then the figures are even harder to believe! That said, I'm a patient man - I'll see what MTA says about their methodology once I contact 'em.
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Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership
Posted by VictorM on Wed Apr 29 05:50:39 2015, in response to Re: Twelve New Round Trips Per Day Will Accommodate Increased Ridership, posted by Concourse Express on Wed Apr 29 00:49:28 2015. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The few times I've ridden the northbound PM rush hour D I noticed more passengers left the train at 59 St (presumably to transfer to other lines) than boarded it. The train was much more crowded leaving 7th Av. That's where they should do the passenger count.
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