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Posted by coneyisl on Sun Apr 19 19:55:30 2015 |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Apr 19 20:42:52 2015, in response to Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by coneyisl on Sun Apr 19 19:55:30 2015. neat stuff, thanks for posting. |
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Posted by chud1 on Mon Apr 20 04:05:14 2015, in response to Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by coneyisl on Sun Apr 19 19:55:30 2015. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for this video.chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by merrick1 on Mon Apr 20 07:03:46 2015, in response to Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by coneyisl on Sun Apr 19 19:55:30 2015. EMUs with bells! That's different. |
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Posted by Andy on Mon Apr 20 09:24:03 2015, in response to Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by coneyisl on Sun Apr 19 19:55:30 2015. I believe that the Denver installation is the first brand new electrified commuter rail (assuming its under FRA jurisdiction) that has opened in the US since 1931, when the original EMU services were begun on the Reading and the Lackawanna.The LIRR, NY Central, New Haven, and PRR EMU services all began between 1905 and 1915. The Illinois Central was put under wire in 1926. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 20 09:46:17 2015, in response to Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by coneyisl on Sun Apr 19 19:55:30 2015. Not bad for a bunch of old tomato cans!ROAR |
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Posted by localacrosstheplatform on Mon Apr 20 10:01:39 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Andy on Mon Apr 20 09:24:03 2015. Pretty impressive. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Apr 20 11:06:45 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by localacrosstheplatform on Mon Apr 20 10:01:39 2015. Is it just me or do those look a lot like Silverliner Vs? |
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Posted by chuchubob on Mon Apr 20 12:13:47 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Apr 20 11:06:45 2015. They are Silverliner V.1: full width cabs and no traps. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Apr 20 12:25:13 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by chuchubob on Mon Apr 20 12:13:47 2015. Thanks, chuchubob |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 20 13:21:14 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 20 09:46:17 2015. when were tomato cans made of stainless steel? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 20 13:57:06 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by merrick1 on Mon Apr 20 07:03:46 2015. I had the same thought.Will M9s also have bells now, I wonder? |
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Posted by coneyisl on Mon Apr 20 14:02:22 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Andy on Mon Apr 20 09:24:03 2015. Denver Commuter Rail is under the jurisdiction of the Federal Railroad Administration. |
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Posted by coneyisl on Mon Apr 20 14:22:19 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Andy on Mon Apr 20 09:24:03 2015. 34 miles opening next year. Another 6.2 miles in 2018. One news report stated that the preliminary cost of a trip from Denver Union Station to Denver International Airport will be $10. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 20 15:47:31 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by merrick1 on Mon Apr 20 07:03:46 2015. If I recall, there South Shore’s EMUs have bells. I also seem to recall from my only ride on the old Lackawanna MUs, that they also had bells. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 20 15:49:13 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 20 13:21:14 2015. I think he’s referring to the M/N M2s. |
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Posted by MR RT on Tue Apr 21 13:49:17 2015, in response to Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by coneyisl on Sun Apr 19 19:55:30 2015. Are they going to make all that noise every time they enter a station ? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 21 16:49:59 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by MR RT on Tue Apr 21 13:49:17 2015. One needs to remember that Colorado is the legal weed state. I imagine some stoners need a lot of noise to get their attention. :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 21 16:56:57 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 21 16:49:59 2015. especially since they still may be listening to Disraeli Gears through their earbuds....dance the night away......... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 21 17:25:32 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 21 16:56:57 2015. I'm sure it's more likely to be some kind of dubstep. :) |
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Posted by coneyisl on Tue Apr 21 18:00:17 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by MR RT on Tue Apr 21 13:49:17 2015. Maybe they were just testing out all of the bells and whistles :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 21 18:28:39 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 21 17:25:32 2015. yeah... I'm dating myself I guess... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 21 22:49:21 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 21 18:28:39 2015. One of the advantages of working where I am, I know Joel Zimmerman (a/k/a Deadmau5) and keep up with the young'uns. Keeps me young too. :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 22 02:41:04 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 21 22:49:21 2015. I just read the Wiki article on Deadmau5* Interesting - a whole scene I have never kept up with. A friend told me once, that house/ deep house etc. was very electronic, and knowing what I listened to, that I probably wouldn't like it.*his name derivation made a reference to leet - also something I'm not familiar with, so I skimmed the Wiki article on that as well = impressive. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 02:54:41 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 22 02:41:04 2015. You might want to also groove on some of the folks I hung with years ago back when Bob Moog was selling electronic cat stranglers. Heh. My compatriots in crime that I engineered and collaborated with were Jean Jacques Perrey (lots of amusing videos on google from back then) along with Gershon Kingsley and John Cage. So strangling cats with keyboards always came natural to me, I loved my Hammond B3. Joel is keeping that alive and quite popular doing it. A large volume of his work has been public domained since his thing is live shows.I refuse to grow up. (grin) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 22 06:18:22 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 02:54:41 2015. I refuse to grow up. (grin) - good thing! And you've gotta love a Hammond B3! Thanks for the tips! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 06:20:38 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 22 06:18:22 2015. I spent many years repairing them. Motor-driven "tone wheel" with sorta like gears on a rod, that's what determined the tones with magnetic pickups. And spinning Leslie speakers. The PERFECT instrument! :)And yeah, enough Moog, especially the way Jean Jacques delighted in pushing the weirdness to its limits sure did influence me. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 06:28:57 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 06:20:38 2015. BTW: Here's the innards of the motor-driven Hammond B3 tonewheel assembly with the tonewheels, their magnetic pickups for each note and the gears that drove the works. :) Best part of Hammonds of that vintage was the interesting sounds (like a bagpipe) as the motor came up to speed. Eventually. (grin) |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Apr 22 06:36:46 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 06:28:57 2015. Hammond B3 + Leslie = one of the best, most versatile and enduring sound machines ever built. The fact that it surfaced in so many places, and in so many different genres of music, and is still beloved today says it all. Nothing that size could ever touch it. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 22 07:01:13 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Andy on Mon Apr 20 09:24:03 2015. That's incredible!! I had NO IDEA they were building something like this...Other cities are expanding (WMATA) their systems, and others starting new from scratch (RTD, apparently). And here, we can't get relatively simple stuff, like restoring the North Shore line on Staten Island and using the East Bronx (NE Corridor?) line for regular service. While we spend 86 years on the SAS, other cities get the job DONE. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 22 07:01:33 2015, in response to Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by coneyisl on Sun Apr 19 19:55:30 2015. Thanks for posting! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 22 07:02:39 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 22 07:01:13 2015. Oh yeah, and another thing- it connects DIRECTLY to the international airport. Whodda figured anybody could get THAT done? smh... |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 22 07:03:49 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by pragmatist on Wed Apr 22 06:36:46 2015. I agree with your post! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 22 07:09:23 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 06:20:38 2015. I should check out Jean Jacques and others you recommended.My listening has been to naturally, Jimmy Smith, some Brother Jack McDuff, Brian Auger, Larry Young etc. Always liked the way Ian McLagan played it with the Small Faces - I was told that you get that cool growling sound when the tubes are old or just about shot & need replacement. To others - thread just went off topic...sorry |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Apr 22 12:17:34 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 02:54:41 2015. yay Moog, yay Theremin. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 17:20:29 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Apr 22 12:17:34 2015. Battery powered bagpipes! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 17:22:46 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 22 07:09:23 2015. That happens sometimes. :)Kim and Vince Martell used to come to our studio to play with all those toys. You might know them as the "Vanilla Fudge". So yeah, even "traditional" musicians liked honks and squeaks. And to put it on topic however briefly, if the NTT trains were around then, I'm sure they would have sampled the windup of the motors and used it in some tunes. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 17:24:06 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by pragmatist on Wed Apr 22 06:36:46 2015. Absolutely! Maintaining them could be a nightmare though, especially if a ground let loose in there. The pickup coils had a tendency to find any loose ground anywhere and buzz like a bad guitar cord. :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 22 18:18:09 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 17:22:46 2015. Yep. Had their first album. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 22 18:52:13 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by coneyisl on Mon Apr 20 14:22:19 2015. The airport line is opening next year and the Gold Line is not far behind. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 22 18:53:56 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 22 07:02:39 2015. From Union Station to DIA; limited stops at speeds up to 79 mph. The DIA station is the only one with an island platform. The intermediate stops all have side platforms and Union Station's Train Hall has a staggered track and platform arrangement. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 22 18:54:58 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 21 16:49:59 2015. Neener-neener.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 22 18:56:07 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 06:28:57 2015. Now if they only sounded like R-1/9s accelerating...:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 22 18:56:46 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by coneyisl on Tue Apr 21 18:00:17 2015. Rim shot! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 22 18:57:59 2015, in response to Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by coneyisl on Sun Apr 19 19:55:30 2015. It rained and snowed here last week, which was when that clip was filmed. I'll be on hand for the grand opening! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 22 18:58:38 2015, in response to Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by coneyisl on Sun Apr 19 19:55:30 2015. It rained and snowed here last week, which was when that clip was filmed. I'll be on hand for the grand opening!RTD had a booth at last month's train meet, and when I asked if commuter rail trains were going to have conductors, I was told yes. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 19:11:14 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 22 18:54:58 2015. THAT might get their attention. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 22 19:13:18 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 22 18:56:07 2015. Actually ... if you hold down any of the bottom keys and fire one up, the tone wheel motor does take about a minute to get up to speed. One of the things that made me fall in love with the B3 ages ago was that you could DO just that! :)And through a pair of spinning Leslies, even better! |
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Posted by coneyisl on Thu Apr 23 11:34:40 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 22 07:01:13 2015. We have a lot of opportunity in Colorado, and when it comes to major capital projects we have several major advantages over large older cities (mostly due to no fault of their own). We also have a major delay in one of our projects. Most importantly we have lots of land on which to build, with a tiny fraction of the property acquisition needed (at much lower cost) than other places. We have UP and BNSF hubs right next to downtown Denver (Denver Union Station) which helped with right of way. We had an abandoned trolley line from the 50's for which the right of way was still available. We had a central valley interstate that was in need of reconstruction anyway. We have a transportation district to which people from elsewhere in the State do not belong and therefore did not have to agree to nor pay the taxes to help pay for the project. We have relatively lower labor costs and somewhat inexpensive energy costs. We had the foresight to annex an immense part of a neighboring county for the express purpose of building a new airport with plans to eventually link it to DUS, and right of way that was preserved for 30 years until we were in a position to build. In short we were forward thinking, we had relatively low taxes, lots of luck, and natural blessings.The delayed project is the Northwest Line to Boulder and Longmont. When the original FastTracks tax was passed, energy and supply costs were a third of what they are now. This is a 35 mile EMU served line that is probably 20 years off into the future from the stand-point of funding. It was put on the backburner due to unexpected cost increases (imagine that). Bus BRT along Highway 36 (including an almost complete reconstruction and expansion) was the tradeoff and will be completed this summer. That's a topic for another post and I will be fascinated to learn how much increased bus ridership will result. In defense of RTD, this line was the most expensive to build in terms of construction and right of way acquisition costs. It will be built along a mostly single track right of way with BNSF. It will require the rebuilding and expansion of MANY bridges and large curving embankments in difficult terrain. It might be though, the heaviest traveled corridor as Boulder patronage would be considerable with the University, and a population of people who are as public transportation and environmentally inclined as they come. RTD tossed the NW side of the metropolitan area a bone by building a 6.2 mile EMU served spur to Westminster which will be the jumping-off point to further NW extension when/if it ever happens. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Apr 23 12:36:13 2015, in response to Re: Denver EMUs Running Under Power, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 22 18:53:56 2015. The line is cab signaled so I don't know why the 79mph thing applies anymore. |
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