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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Apr 15 14:11:40 2015, in response to Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Apr 15 13:57:25 2015. weird! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 15:03:02 2015, in response to Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Apr 15 13:57:25 2015. So how do the weekend Ms turn back? |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Apr 15 15:10:58 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 15:03:02 2015. At Chambers St., along with the J, but I'm not sure how they avoid interfering with each other at the terminal. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 15 15:45:35 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by VictorM on Wed Apr 15 15:10:58 2015. I don't so why it would be a problem, if they use the tail tracks R3-4 to do the movement. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 15:58:48 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 15 15:45:35 2015. AFAIK, when the Js terminate at Chambers they Arrive and depart from J2 and J4 effectively making Chambers function as a stub end terminal rather than relay S/O the station. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Apr 15 16:01:44 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 15:58:48 2015. They terminate the Ms on the westernmost track, and turn the Js on the relay track south of the station. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Apr 15 16:01:44 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 15:58:48 2015. They terminate the Ms on the westernmost track, and turn the Js on the relay track south of the station. |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 16:30:07 2015, in response to Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Apr 15 13:57:25 2015. Cracked switch point. Should be out through the end of the year (12/31), but subject to change.-Stef |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 16:34:07 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 15:58:48 2015. M's turn back on J2 and cross to J4 leaving Chambers, and cross again from J4 to J1 leaving the Bowery and entering Essex.-Stef |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Apr 15 16:36:20 2015, in response to Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Apr 15 13:57:25 2015. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for that video.maybe they will put new switchies in? chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 16:37:56 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 16:30:07 2015. Why in heaven's name would it take that long to replace special work? Are they importing the steel from Mars? :) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 16:39:55 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Apr 15 16:01:44 2015. OK. The only thing is that it may require an extra drill T/O to double end the Js since I don’t think a relay is built into the work programs. Are there any J crews out there who know what the normal J operation is to Chambers when the M isn’t running there? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 16:40:55 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 16:37:56 2015. My question exactly! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 16:41:36 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 16:40:55 2015. Heh. Us old goats remember when they ran a railroad instead of a casino for contractors. :) |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 16:51:49 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 16:37:56 2015. At this point it may not be a priority, but the GO gives them time (the flexibility) to take care of it at their earliest convenience. Like I said, subject to change. The GO may be cancelled earlier than that.But of interest to us, this means OPTO has been extended from Essex to Chambers. -Stef |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 16:53:21 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 16:39:55 2015. If I can chime in for a sec, I thought it was the T/O changing ends in the relay spot and taking it back to JC from there...-Stef |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 16:56:24 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 16:51:49 2015. True ... but don't mind me and Randy. We're from a time when switches got replaced overnight. :( |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 16:58:24 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 16:56:24 2015. No problem bro. It's good to listen to the old timers recalling how things were way back when. You gents DO have my utmost respect!Moo to You, Kind Sir! -Stef |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Apr 15 17:03:19 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 16:30:07 2015. What will they do with the weekend M until it's back in service? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 17:03:28 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 16:58:24 2015. No worries! Props to Randy for sure, I was a short timer there once I got cured of foaming. Couldn't stand the place in pretty short order. My hat's off to YOU for putting up with it all this time! :) |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 17:07:11 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Apr 15 17:03:19 2015. Run to Chambers and terminate on the Broad Street bound track (J2).Don't forget --- when the L GO is in effect, the M's are extended to 57th Street. -Stef |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Apr 15 17:11:55 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 17:07:11 2015. Alright makes sense. Maybe this will be a chance to straighten out and better align the track through there, it seemed kind of kinked and haphazardly aligned before. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:35:22 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 16:41:36 2015. They must have hired the Three Stooges.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:36:20 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 17:07:11 2015. So Moe gets to go back to his old stomping ground.:) |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 19:45:10 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:36:20 2015. Correct! Shades of pre-2010.-Stef |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 19:49:04 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:35:22 2015. And then put them in charge. With Sydney Fields as trainmaster. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 15 20:08:38 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 19:49:04 2015. I can picture that! |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 15 20:16:40 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 19:45:10 2015. That was one of the oldest services still operating on the same routing and terminals for nearly a Century. With a few years to Broad Street and a few down the Brighton in the early post-Christie era.The BMT even called it the Myrtle Avenue, Broadway and Chambers Street Line. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Apr 15 21:07:19 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Apr 15 17:11:55 2015. The problem is those tracks were never intended to dive into a subway anyway. There were supposed to run on an el over Delancey St, but tremendous local opposition forced them to connect to a subway. The reason for the reverse curve was to make room for the trolley terminal. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 16 12:54:46 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 16:34:07 2015. Are they already running in service to Chambers? |
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Posted by Stef on Thu Apr 16 13:17:13 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 16 12:54:46 2015. The GO is already in effect, with the switch being OOS.However, this weekend there is no L service from Lorimer to 8th Av, the M's are extended to 57th St. Work on the L will be done through 05/18. -Stef |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Apr 16 13:59:50 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by VictorM on Wed Apr 15 15:10:58 2015. The services are probably infrequent enough that there's little interference... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Apr 16 14:03:10 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 16:56:24 2015. One would think that would be the case, especially of a switch that's frequently used... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Apr 16 14:09:06 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 17:07:11 2015. 1) It's good they still have this turn-around capacity there. I can envision it being eliminated in a future renovation, as was done at Atlantic Avenue.2) Do the signs/FINDS on those M trains indicate Chambers Street- or do they still indicate the legal terminal of Essex St.? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 16 14:10:10 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 19:45:10 2015. "Shudders" at that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 16 14:16:25 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 15 20:16:40 2015. That may be the case, but rents have risen in Ridgewood over 60% since the M train change, and the stations have seen double digit increases in passengers. A lot of that has to do with the M train.
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 18:35:45 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 16:53:21 2015. I don’t have a copy of the employee timetable and its difficult to see from the public timetable what the recovery time of the individual trains is at Chambers St. However in all likely hood it;s 7 min meaning that the crew takes its own train back and 7 min is not enough time to make a relay and leave on time N/B. If on the other hand, the recovery time is 17 min, then it would seem to defeat the purpose of short lining the trains at Chambers in the first place. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 18:42:49 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:35:22 2015. Considering the line it’s on it would be appropriate! |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 18:48:13 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 17:07:11 2015. Do they actually run in service to Chambers or do they fumigate at Essex and run light to Broad? |
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Posted by Stef on Thu Apr 16 19:00:21 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 18:48:13 2015. No service to Broad over the weekend, so those trains can turn on J2 at Chambers (in service) and head back to Met from there.-Stef |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Apr 17 09:57:35 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 16 14:16:25 2015. I wasn't saying sending it to Midtown was a bad idea. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 13:11:42 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Stef on Wed Apr 15 19:45:10 2015. The Myrtle Ave Express began in 1918. The original route ran from Chambers St with only one other stop -the Bowery- in Manhattan. In Brooklyn, it made no stops until Central Ave. That's right, no stop at Marcy Ave or B'way/Myrtle! |
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Posted by Stef on Fri Apr 17 14:18:24 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 13:11:42 2015. The irony of that is in later years, the Bowery would actually be skipped during the day with the J's (IIRC).Good info. -Stef |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 17 14:49:19 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 13:11:42 2015. I know that they made no stop at Marcy until the switches were moved east (RR SOUTH) of the station butI can’t imagine that they skipped Bway/Myrt since they would likely have to hold there anyhow to avoid clashes with Manhattan bound Jamaica trains. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 23:14:41 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 17 14:49:19 2015. Randy, I read it in a 1918 Brooklyn Eagle and I thought the same thing. I re-read it several times. My guess is that they wanted direct service to Myrtle Ave, starting at Central Ave, bypassing everything between Bowery and Central. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Apr 18 00:52:40 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 16 14:16:25 2015. And that is one reason why it may be time to consider, especially with this situation EITHER sending the (M) to 71-Continental 19/7 (which is what the MTA should do) OR on weekends experimenting with the (M) being combined with the Manhattan portion of the (B) and running to 145th via regular route to 47-50 and then via CPW, which would address any complaints of only one local on CPW on weekends. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 18 11:02:37 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 23:14:41 2015. Why would they want to skip Essex St ? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 18 15:51:41 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 18 11:02:37 2015. Remember, this is before the connecting tube to Montague tunnel. Jamaica trains terminated at Chambers St, as well as Manhattan Bridge trains. B'way-Bklyn trains started at Canal St. plus, Canarsie trains, that formerly used the Broadway ferry terminal. People who wanted the Myrtle Ave express were probably told to board it at Chambers or Bowery. I do not know how long this routing lasted, but it was changed at a later date. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 18 16:12:48 2015, in response to Re: Switch Work at Essex Street, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 23:14:41 2015. If the news reporters of yore weren’t any more knowledgeable than they are today, the info may not have been accurate. A BRT service guide from the era would probably give more accurate information. |
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