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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Dec 19 12:16:07 2014, in response to Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 18 22:12:41 2014. Yup. So are the shells for the 72nd St. and 96th St. stations also complete, or is there still excavation to be done at those sites? |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Dec 19 13:11:56 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Dec 19 12:16:07 2014. 86th has been the slowest going of the stations. 72 has been done for a bit, and 96 for a long time. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Dec 19 13:51:44 2014, in response to Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 18 22:12:41 2014. One station, $332M? Ouch...just ouch. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Dec 20 22:12:31 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by JAzumah on Fri Dec 19 13:51:44 2014. Just think what Queensway would cost? |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Dec 20 22:25:46 2014, in response to Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 18 22:12:41 2014. December 2016? Right month, wrong year. Completion is set for December 2056. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 21 00:23:49 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Dec 20 22:12:31 2014. QueensWay is a sub $1 billion project if the right people do it. |
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Posted by Abba on Sun Dec 21 05:05:08 2014, in response to Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 18 22:12:41 2014. Wow when I saw this I saw this article I thought the whole second Ave subway was 75% degrees done, |
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Posted by Abba on Sun Dec 21 05:05:41 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Abba on Sun Dec 21 05:05:08 2014. Not degrees |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 21 06:47:15 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Dec 20 22:25:46 2014. The World Trade Center will never be completed. :) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 21 15:35:23 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 21 00:23:49 2014. Do you really think the MTA will hire the RIGHT people to do it? maybe the under-40 crowd here will get to use it on opening day! |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 21 18:55:00 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 21 15:35:23 2014. They could look into a DBOM or DBM concession so that contractors don't inflate the price of construction. They could also start the MTA Construction Company to control costs if they have to. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 21 20:54:53 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 21 18:55:00 2014. Obvious question- why hasn't this been done? The MTA just keeps on pissing away the public's money on projects that could have been built much simpler. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Dec 21 21:04:40 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 21 18:55:00 2014. You could check out the DBM result in Vancouver where the cost overruns gave the airport line inadequate short platforms, very short trains, and a single track terminal, all of which cripple the ridership. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Mon Dec 22 17:25:11 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 21 20:54:53 2014. I'm not sure, but the MTA has so much work that needs to be done that I think they might be able to justify an in-house construction crew dedicated to rehab and system expansion. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Dec 22 18:20:50 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Dec 21 21:04:40 2014. Nice, if true. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Dec 22 18:21:40 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 21 20:54:53 2014. I'm sure you can think of some possible reasons. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Dec 22 19:36:23 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 21 20:54:53 2014. If I had my way, the line would have been 4-tracks and all the stations would look like regular B division stations - like the 1968-vintage 57th street-6 avenue.wayne |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 23 01:35:07 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Dec 22 19:36:23 2014. That’s what it was supposed to be, but due to the cesspool of incompetence in the MTA, that didn’t happen!!! |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Dec 23 04:03:56 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Dec 22 19:36:23 2014. So we should a four track subway for line that won't even see 15 tph? Operate at 30 tph on SAS, and maybe you'll deserve your extra two tracks. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Dec 23 04:23:11 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 21 20:54:53 2014. The MTA just keeps on pissing away the public's money on projects that could have been built much simpler.Allegedly, the fight that the MTA had over the construction of the 63rd Street Line near the Central Park Zoo was enough to avoid cut and cover construction for the future. FWIW, if you're going to go with deep bore construction, I'd argue that going with a narrower station footprint so you're not digging big caves underground is probably key to keeping costs low. Something like this with elevators to the top would probably be more ideal:  Even if NYCTA & MTACC won't go for that arrangement, note how RATP in Paris still builds stations to low clearances compared to our choice in aping WMATA's station designs:  That station is nearly two years old. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Dec 23 09:56:01 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Dec 23 04:23:11 2014. That is clearly one single massive bore that would have less impact. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 23 14:23:50 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by JAzumah on Mon Dec 22 17:25:11 2014. That should certainly be considered. Of course, it would eliminate much opportunity for bribery and kickbacks.. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 23 14:24:34 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Dec 22 19:36:23 2014. I agree. Completely. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Dec 23 16:04:11 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Dec 23 14:23:50 2014. You mean that NYC mafioso may have to get real jobs? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 25 11:34:35 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Dec 22 19:36:23 2014. I would have hired the Stooges to do the tilework. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 25 18:54:33 2014, in response to Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 18 22:12:41 2014. I just checked Wickipedia and it says if and when the build the downtown section, they don't intend to use the completed tunnel near Canal Street. What would be the reason for that? |
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Posted by LA Scott on Thu Dec 25 20:08:26 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 25 18:54:33 2014. Plans, standards, and technologies change in 40+ years.Whether for the better or worse is an issue for debate. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Dec 25 23:47:19 2014, in response to Re: Second Avenue Subway is three-quarters of the way done, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 21 20:54:53 2014. You will find out when the line opens. |
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