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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 18 09:29:48 2014, in response to 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Dec 18 09:25:36 2014. Yes, it's been in Philly already for hours. The only relevant part left is from Philly to FLA. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Dec 18 13:46:15 2014, in response to 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Dec 18 09:25:36 2014. Amtrak is buying new baggage cars? Surprised. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Dec 18 13:53:59 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by SLRT on Thu Dec 18 13:46:15 2014. Yes.70 Baggage cars, 10 Baggage/Dormitory cars, 25 Diners 25 Sleepers All Viewliners. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Dec 18 16:09:43 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 18 09:29:48 2014. Wow you can tell time, impressive. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Dec 18 19:48:26 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by R30A on Thu Dec 18 13:53:59 2014. Why does Amtrak need nearly that many baggage cars? Are they bringing back mail service? Should be significantly more Sleeper cars. And really seems like a coach should have been contemplated, to begin pushing the Amfleet IIs to corridor routes. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Dec 18 20:32:53 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by WillD on Thu Dec 18 19:48:26 2014. Replacing all of the heritage bag cars, improving spares availability, adding a couple of protect cars at key locations, and "hopefully" putting baggage cars back on a few trains that lost it because of shortages (like 42/43) Remember, the single level baggage cars run on the long distance superliner trains also, so the number in use fairly high. 25 additional Viewliner sleepers plus the 10 bag/dorms that free up revenue rooms is a pretty big increase in rooms to sell, so figure cycling the original 50 through rehab, "protect" cars where there are none now, and maybe we can add an extra sleeper and take the Cardinal daily, and put a sleeper back on 66/67. Perhaps "through cars on 42/43 to join Cap Limited at PGH. They are not going to want to flood room availability, it may be good for us when we want a low bucket room available, but they manage revenue/expense/yield, so too much extra supply is not good for them. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Dec 18 20:53:25 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by WillD on Thu Dec 18 19:48:26 2014. I don't believe they do. When they run a full baggage on a relatively short Superliner that includes a baggage coach, I suspect they don't use the baggage section. Given how many stations are NCB, how often do LD full baggage cars actually fill up? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Dec 18 21:19:31 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Dec 18 20:53:25 2014. Some of it is "future proofing" The new bag cars will have bike racks, instead of carrying them in boxes, I won't be shocked if Congress forces the "pet carrying pilot" to be expanded, and they may push the pallet freight business a little more. That being said, I agree with you about the S/L baggage coach. To be honest, if I'm in a S/L sleeper, I usually put any larger bag in the rack downstairs and don't use checked baggage either. A train with 2 sections like the LSL is using 2 bags on each of 3 sets for a total of six. I doubt there even half full, but they go to different end points so it still takes 2 cars on each set. Wouldn't be surprised to see one become a bag dorm so you get back a half a cars worth of rooms to sell. |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Dec 19 00:36:59 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by pragmatist on Thu Dec 18 20:32:53 2014. Remember, the single level baggage cars run on the long distance superliner trains also, so the number in use fairly high.I did forget that and that makes a lot of sense. And the point about the bikes makes a lot of sense as well. and maybe we can add an extra sleeper and take the Cardinal daily, and put a sleeper back on 66/67. Perhaps "through cars on 42/43 to join Cap Limited at PGH. I'd rather have a through sleeper on 42/43 than an extra sleeper on the Cardinal. IMHO that and the sleeper on the Federal can't happen quickly enough. I realize adding a sleeper to the Cardinal might be a bit more cost effective, but it's just too damn long a trip. And with the proposed Cap Limited through sleeper, has anyone heard if the sleeper would originate in Philly, or would it start from NYP? I was a bit surprised 30 this past summer had a Transdorm all ready for towing a Viewliner and a couple Amfleets along. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Dec 19 07:56:18 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by WillD on Fri Dec 19 00:36:59 2014. The scuttlebutt was centered around NY, it would be a bit of a relief valve for the LSL. Setting up a "shore power" layup in PGH won't happen overnight, despite that being when you would sit there!Despite it being a very long trip, when an extra sleeper was available at times this summer and fall, space sold well on the Cardinal. Maybe because the LSL and CL had so much trouble, the extra schedule time doesn't matter as much. We have pretty good choices to Chicago from NYP, but those Virginia and West Virginia and Cinn, Ohio folks not so good. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 14:48:02 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Dec 18 20:53:25 2014. They do fill up. The baggage section of the coach baggage Superliners are overly stuffed on trains that lack baggage cars like the City of New Orleans and Texas Eagle.They actually reduced the order of Viewliner dorm-baggage cars from 25 to 15, and increased all-baggage cars by 10 as 55 was not enough to replace all the heritage baggage cars. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Dec 19 20:44:11 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 14:48:02 2014. I actually thought the bag/dorms dropped to 10 and full bags were upped by 15, but your basic premise is 100% correct. Out in California, they have some retired F40 locos rebuilt as "Cabbages" non powered control cab units with a roll up door cut in the sides and where the engine used to be is the baggage area. If they ever got new cab cars for the push pulls, I don't think they'd be sorry to see them go either. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Dec 19 22:16:06 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 14:48:02 2014. So if the bag dorms are assigned to the Silver service, Crescent, LSL for example, those 15 will barely cover the trains. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 20 16:25:42 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by WillD on Thu Dec 18 19:48:26 2014. I asked that when this was first announced... but getting rid of the heritage baggage cars is important for increasing the speed of LD trains. Right now the baggage and dining cars are capping the LSL's speed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 20 16:35:24 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 20 16:25:42 2014. The Viewliner-II's will go to trains that traverse the NEC first to overcome the speed restriction.There is not much that can be done to the LSL's speed north of Poughkeepsie by getting rid of heritage cars. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 20 19:05:44 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Dec 19 22:16:06 2014. There will only be 10 Bag dorms. Its anybody's guess where they go, but I'd say Cardinal and NY side of the Lake Shore, which will eat up 5.They could also send them out west and free up Superliner trans-dorms for revenue. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Dec 21 00:02:52 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 20 19:05:44 2014. If the cardinal went daily, you'd need a third set, that would bring the total in service to six, which would allow a protect in Sunnyside and Chicago and 2 in maintenance rotation. Almost perfect..... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 21 03:11:04 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 20 16:35:24 2014. North of Poughkeepsie the limit is 100-110, aren't the heritages keeping it at 90? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 21 08:12:08 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 21 03:11:04 2014. I think 105, and Amfleet 125.But I wouldn't expect them to pull 5 minutes out of the schedule. They will still have to wait for 449 to lumber across Massachusetts or 6 hours or at CSX's convenience. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 21 08:27:29 2014, in response to Re: 12/18 Amtrak Baggage Car Special Routing, posted by pragmatist on Sun Dec 21 00:02:52 2014. Daily Cardinal PIP has been shot down by Boardman. It would have added too much to the operating deficit, even moreso now that the Hoosier State has been palmed off to Indiana. |
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