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Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined? |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Dec 2 16:48:58 2014, in response to Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by nh153 on Tue Dec 2 16:42:07 2014. The only reason that the Lex 59-63 St free transfer exists is because when the 63 St line was connected to Queens Blvd, resulting in the creation of the V and the F moved to the new route, F riders in Queens lost their direct connection to the 6. And rather than just take the E or R or V or 7, they complained and complained and complained until they were thrown a bone in that out of system transfer to get them to shut up. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Dec 2 16:55:18 2014, in response to Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by nh153 on Tue Dec 2 16:42:07 2014. Queensboro Plaza and Queens Plaza stations are actually a few blocks apart. It is Queensboro Plaza that is on the busy part of the streets called Queens Plaza North and Queens Plaza South. Queens Plaza station is at the extreme eastern end of Queens Plaza, the streets. And since transfers exist at Roosevelt Ave. and Court Square, it seems very unlikely that a third transfer will be built between Quens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza stations. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Dec 2 17:00:14 2014, in response to Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by nh153 on Tue Dec 2 16:42:07 2014. I say fine with the card transfer, but how many people would schlep up/down subway and elevated station stairs at QP/QBP? Unless, you are proposing escalators like the 74th St/Broadway transfer. That's not gonna happen! |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Dec 2 17:20:50 2014, in response to Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by nh153 on Tue Dec 2 16:42:07 2014. We keep having these conversations.Court Sqaure and 45th Rd were directly next to each other. Fare control for Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza are not. Bleeker street required reconstruction of the northbound platform into the proper position. Livonia and Junius provide no benefit to the local population that can't already be achieved by other means. The MTA's policy is it only provides the out of system transfers where a connection has been lost. The F got its transfer because it lost the transfer to the IRT it had when it ran via 53rd street. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Dec 2 17:29:47 2014, in response to Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by nh153 on Tue Dec 2 16:42:07 2014. MetroCard transfer is likely a cheaper option.In-house transfer probably cost a $1 billion since its 3 to 4 blocks. 
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Posted by Charles G on Tue Dec 2 17:43:04 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by The Silence on Tue Dec 2 17:20:50 2014. Has the TA ever published statistics showing how many people are actually using the free transfer at Lex/63 and Lex/59? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 2 18:06:39 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Dec 2 17:29:47 2014. LION never realized the layout there.It is interesting, and of mor interest to the LION than a transfer would be for a connection between the (R) south of Queensboro Plaza and the (F) train north of Queensboro Plaza, perhaps running on 24th Street. What this would do would allow an express train from Broadway via the 63rd Street tunnel to access the local tracks on the Queensboro line INCLUDING the Queens Plaza station. That would make a difference as to how the LION would run trains on the Broadway Line. With such a connection all Broadway Local trains would go to Astoria, while all Express trains to Queens (The R) could use the new connection from 63rd Street instead of going through the 60th Street Tunnel. LION *likes* That. ROAR |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 2 21:32:27 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by The Silence on Tue Dec 2 17:20:50 2014. Wrong about Livonia ave...but then again..this is subchat. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 2 21:49:32 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 2 21:32:27 2014. Why's he wrong? Because YOU say so? LOL! |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Dec 2 22:03:57 2014, in response to Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by nh153 on Tue Dec 2 16:42:07 2014. What I always wanted was a walkway from the roof of the municipal parking garage to Queensboro Plaza. That will never happen, though, as the parking garage has been demolished. I passed there today, and seeing the Queens Plaza subway entrance all by itself without the garage to protect it was sad. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 2 22:11:42 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 2 21:49:32 2014. No...I like Him.He's thoughtful. Concise. Overall,a better person than you. Paul Steward's Fall Collection is out. Pick up a suit and go job searching so you can feed the baby.Stop letting Tamar support you. By the way,in case you forgot... You are a Asshole. Asshole. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 2 23:11:12 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 2 22:11:42 2014. No...I like Him.Of course you do. Two wrongs don't make a right. He's thoughtful.In the "full of incorrect thoughts" sense, yes, he is. Concise.No, not by a long shot. You're wrong. As usual. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Dec 2 23:22:01 2014, in response to Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by nh153 on Tue Dec 2 16:42:07 2014. Queens Plaza and Queensboro plaza station are a out a block apart However their entrances aren't. Queensboro Plaza's entrance is in the middle of it's station. Besides that connection isn't necessary, each of those lines connect with each other not far on each respective line. The 3 and L line connections at Junius I think would be useful and seemingly easy to do. There's no subway connection between crown heights, east Flatbush and Canarsie. The last 2 neighborhoods I listed are prominent Caribbean neighborhoods, the crowds on the B17 and dollar vans travelling from Utica ave station to Canarsie(not sure if they still run it's been yrs) leads me to believe the connection would be used. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Dec 3 00:15:36 2014, in response to Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by nh153 on Tue Dec 2 16:42:07 2014. The Queensboro Plaza station extends to the west side of 28th Street. The problem is that there's a lot of steelwork to the east of the Manhattan-bound platform. The only feasible way to make such a connection would be to construct a passageway from the existing mezzanine, over Queens Plaza South, then down through the empty lot next to the Gotham Center building. Incidentally, that area would be great for use as a bus plaza. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Wed Dec 3 01:27:28 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Dec 2 23:22:01 2014. And the 3 and L connection is an effective way to transfer from the IRT to the Bway Junction line. Only connection between IRT and L, J or A/C lines are in Manhattan. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 3 01:58:56 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Dec 2 23:22:01 2014. Yup... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 3 02:03:49 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 2 23:11:12 2014. LOL!Bingo! There we go! We knew this was coming.. so predictable. By the way,asshole.. You've played your best card,and STILL are an Asshole. |
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Re: How do you classify SIR? |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 3 08:23:46 2014, in response to Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by nh153 on Tue Dec 2 16:42:07 2014. How do you classify the Staten Island Railway and their two stations they collect fares at?You can take a bus (Pay) to SIR, Pay for SIR (Transfer) and then use the lower Manhattan subway stops (2nd transfer)? Free Transfers with MetroCard Pay your fare with Pay-Per Ride MetroCard and transfer free between SIR and local buses or subways as long as you use your MetroCard again within two hours. Use an Unlimited Ride MetroCard and ride as many times as you like, including transfers. If you ride a local Staten Island bus to SIR, you can transfer free to SIR and then transfer again free to these lower Manhattan subways and buses: at South Ferry at Bowling Green or Wall St at Broadway-Nassau/Fulton St at Wall St at Broad St at Whitehall St or Rector St M5, M20 and M15 SBS buses |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Dec 3 08:47:40 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 3 02:03:49 2014. Open wide! Big Momma's coming in! |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 3 09:25:26 2014, in response to Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by nh153 on Tue Dec 2 16:42:07 2014. I seem to recall such a connection mentioned on a tour of the 63rd Street tunnel around 1996-97. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Dec 3 09:57:27 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Dec 3 08:47:40 2014. You call it Momma? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Dec 3 10:28:23 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Charles G on Tue Dec 2 17:43:04 2014. Does anyone know what the actual rules are for that transfer? It used to be that, if you had a transfer available on your pay-per-ride Metrocard, you could enter at Lex-59th, Lex-60th, or Lex-63rd and it would be counted as a transfer, regardless of where you originally entered the system. Then they seem to have limited it; in particular, if you enter at a Bronx IRT station, and later try to re-enter the IRT and Lex-59th St., it will no longer allow that as a free transfer, which had effectively given some people a round trip for one fare. How they judge what is a legitimate transfer, and what isn't, is quite murky. Also unclear is whether the use of that transfer does or doesn't count as the one allowed transfer on a Metrocard. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 3 10:48:09 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Dec 3 10:28:23 2014. In the last year, I have entered at Union Square, exited the system somewhere, re-entered at 59th/Lex within 2 hours of my original entry, and been charged an additional fare.I am also interested in how they figure out who gets a free transfer at Lex/59. Presumably if I had entered 2 blocks west at 14th/6th and taken the F to Lex/63, I would have been entitled to a free transfer. So something fairly clever is going on. My SWAG would be if you enter at a station that allows you a direct trip to Lex/59, you lose the opportunity for a free transfer. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 3 11:09:58 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Dec 3 09:57:27 2014. He's got plenty of names for "it"..but none suit him better than "asshole". |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 3 11:26:04 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Dec 3 08:47:40 2014. LoL..The trending concern right now is whether you are going to continue defficating all over yourself with or without diapers. As an Asshole,suffering from uncontrollable flatulence,irritable bowel syndrome from both mouth to colon...talking Shit comes easy for you. By the way..that makes you not only an Asshole...but a Whole Ass. You have amazing coping skills. Asshole. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Dec 3 11:31:45 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Dec 2 17:29:47 2014. Neat map. Where did you get it? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 3 11:49:44 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Dec 3 09:25:26 2014. During the early planning stages,after the route was played out as the By Pass Crosstown.. the Northern Blvd station was planned for 41st Ave/Northern Blvd adjacent to the Queens Plaza IND.It would have served as the temporary terminal station,with easy transfers to the Queens Blvd subway,until the Bypass route was finished. The MTA shot themselves in the foot by not building this station..even as a fill in stop. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 3 11:55:53 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Dec 3 11:31:45 2014. One way to get it is to go to The Weekender, click on an area of interest on the map, click on a station, click "Neighborhood Map View" on the left, and then zoom in. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 3 12:45:17 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Dec 3 09:57:27 2014. No, it's what I think Edwards! calls it. |
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Re: How do you classify SIR? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Dec 3 13:13:01 2014, in response to Re: How do you classify SIR?, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 3 08:23:46 2014. Under Mayor Rudy G's 1997 plan - "One City One Fare" the idea was to remove as much as possible the "double-fare zones" in which many riders had to take a bus and a subway for travel. The free transfer between bus and subway on the then new Gold Metro-Card accomplished that for the majority of riders all over the city.However there are a number of riders that have to take a bus, the SIR or the subway, and then another separate subway or bus - three trips. The largest number of those kinds of folks live on Staten Island, the borough with the least amount of transit options direct to Manhattan, as well as the least frequent service. The free ferry ride in the middle of the journey simply means that some of the "transfer time window" is used up by the ferry ride. Now the purchase of an unlimited Metro-Card solves the "three-transfer-problem" for folks with the ability to pay the up-front costs of a monthly Metro-Card. It would be discrimination (by income which in NYC is basically racial discrimination) if Pay-Per-Ride riders did not have the same or similar transfer opportunities. Generally about half of all of the subway riders use an Un-limited Metro-Card, while the other half uses a Pay-Per-Ride card - meaning huge numbers of folks would be involved if there were major-major differences between the cards in their ability to transfer. Considering that at the time this was implemented there were only 1-2 places on Staten Island where riders could place money on their Metro-Cards (now 3 places) at the St. George Ferry Terminal and the then-new mid-island transit center - making transit more difficult to use should not be the goal. Of course it was always said that there are stores where one could purchase Metro-Cards, at least in theory. For the Staten Island issue the role of politics in the creation of the 3-ride transfer policy can not be down-played, but at the same time some of the issues with the 63rd Street tunnel were foreseeable. Just for reference on the 2-hour period of transfer-ability, one has to wait for and take a bus to the SIR, wait for and take the SIR to St. George, wait for and take the ferry to Manhattan, and then use the subway or another bus. Considering that only until recently, the ferries operated at 30 and 60 minutes apart during most of the day/evening/late night/weekends - except for rush hours where the boats run at 15 and 20 minutes apart, plus buses on Staten Island often run 15-20-30 minutes apart. Actually making use of the 3-way transfer could easily be a hit or miss affair, depending upon travel times. The free transfer situation regarding Staten Island comes out of a different set of circumstances as compared to the situation with the 63rd Street tunnel and the F-train. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Dec 3 13:34:33 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 3 10:48:09 2014. From a previous message:"In the last year, I have entered at Union Square, exited the system somewhere, re-entered at 59th/Lex within 2 hours of my original entry, and been charged an additional fare. I am also interested in how they figure out who gets a free transfer at Lex/59. Presumably if I had entered 2 blocks west at 14th/6th and taken the F to Lex/63, I would have been entitled to a free transfer. So something fairly clever is going on. My SWAG would be if you enter at a station that allows you a direct trip to Lex/59, you lose the opportunity for a free transfer." The original purpose of the transfer was to allow riders from Queens to use the F-train and then transfer to the #4-5-6 at Lexington Avenue/59th Street. It simply could be that the card recognizes that one entered at a Queens station that the F-train services, and then allows the free passage at Lexington Avenue/59th Street. On the return trips to Queens - it probably allows folks using certain Lexington Avenue #4-5-6 stations the free passage at 63rd Street/Lexington Avenue. A person at Union Square simply has a quick trip on the L-train to the F-train. At Bleecker Street there is direct access to the F-train. There probably were money/fiscal considerations at the MTA to prevent the creation of a totally free way to use the subways. That consideration might just be behind some of the "limitations" - especially when the MTA did not WANT to create such an "out of system" transfer. Remember, there are many folks who continually propose to the MTA to create to several "out of system" transfers, refer to the situation in Brooklyn where the G-train was closed for 5 weeks in Long Island City. Again folks clamored for a free "out of system" transfer between the G and J trains, something that has been talked about online for years. Just some thoughts. Mike |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 3 13:43:23 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Michael549 on Wed Dec 3 13:34:33 2014. There probably were money/fiscal considerations at the MTA to prevent the creation of a totally free way to use the subways.Originally, the Lex/63/59 transfer worked no matter where you originated. Whatever restrictions have been put in place have come more recently. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Dec 3 17:05:26 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 3 13:43:23 2014. From a previous message:"Originally, the Lex/63/59 transfer worked no matter where you originated. Whatever restrictions have been put in place have come more recently." I do remember that being the case, which is why I believe restrictions did come in later, again probably due to fiscal/money reasons. Mike |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Dec 3 19:40:46 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 3 10:48:09 2014. I usually enter at Sutphin Blvd on the E and have no trouble with a free transfer at 59/Lex. I am going to do it again in the morning; I'll keep a close eye on the turnstile. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 3 21:32:09 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 3 12:45:17 2014. He calling YOU an asshole. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 3 21:34:44 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 3 12:45:17 2014. bump |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Dec 4 16:41:16 2014, in response to Re: How do you classify SIR?, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 3 08:23:46 2014. Yep. What used to be four separate fares (SI Bus+SIR+SI Ferry+Manhattan subway or bus) became a single fare when free transfer was introduced.I once rode the S89 from Bayonne, NJ to Eltingville, then SIR, then SI Ferry, then M15 bus with only one fare. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 4 16:57:27 2014, in response to Re: How do you classify SIR?, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Dec 4 16:41:16 2014. Actually transfers from SI bus to SIR became available a few years before that. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Dec 4 17:09:05 2014, in response to Re: How do you classify SIR?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 4 16:57:27 2014. With paper transfers? Or blue MetroCards? |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Dec 4 17:12:13 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 3 11:55:53 2014. I didn't now that. Thanks. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 4 17:51:13 2014, in response to Re: How do you classify SIR?, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Dec 4 17:09:05 2014. Paper transfers. |
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Posted by Gene B. on Thu Dec 4 18:53:02 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by The Silence on Tue Dec 2 17:20:50 2014. It does happen. What about at Yankee Stadium? The 4 train is elevated, the D line is a subway and they are certainly not aligned. I would think that the free transfers there would only be fully utilized if there were a service disruption on one of the two lines and there were a Yankee home game. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 4 19:04:22 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Gene B. on Thu Dec 4 18:53:02 2014. The free transfers there allow D riders to get to the East Side, and 4 riders to get to parts of the West Side that are more convenient than transferring to the 2 at 149th. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 4 19:18:25 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Gene B. on Thu Dec 4 18:53:02 2014. The 4 train is elevated, the D line is a subway and they are certainly not aligned.Both stations are at 161st St and River Ave. The 4 goes along River Ave and the D along 161st St. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 4 20:49:54 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 4 19:04:22 2014. Although I can’t say for certain, but I would Imagine that the free transfer between the Jerome and Concourse Lines was established at the same time the 9 Av El was demolished to provide Jerome passengers with access not only to the far west side of Manhattan but to the newly opened 6 Av subway which replaced the el that closed 2 years earlier. I also think it was originally a paper transfer since I seem to recall seeing a notice sometime in the 1950s that a new stairway was being opened between the IRT and IND at 161 St which would replace the paper transfer. If I recall a similar situation existed at 74/Roosevelt Av between the IND Qns Blvd Line and the Flushing Line until sometime around 1960. Again I seem to recall seeing a service notice announcing the opening of a new stairway between the IRT station art 74 St and the IND Roosevelt Av station which would replace the paper transfers in use at the time. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 4 22:50:01 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 4 19:18:25 2014. Yes, they cross each other where the stations are. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 4 23:05:53 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 4 20:49:54 2014. Wikipedia says, w/o citation:"When the IND portion [of 161st] was built in 1933, paper tickets were used to transfer between the two lines; this method was used until the 1950s, when the indoor escalators were built." |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Dec 5 12:45:56 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 3 21:32:09 2014. Which he is. Also he is the only one here who keeps changing his name!!! |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Dec 5 12:46:29 2014, in response to Re: Will Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza Ever Be Combined?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Dec 5 12:45:56 2014. A lot of people have changed their name a lot more than T.S. have. |
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