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Chicago CTA Videos Are Back |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Nov 23 12:03:20 2014 The VIDEOS are back. Red, Blue, Brown, and Orange. Still to come are: Green, Pink, Purple, and Yellow. Remember, all CTA lines run north to south, except Pink which runs east and west.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPeco8tW7Tc Red Line NB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ZYZrrj2IA Red Line SB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ZYZrrj2IA Blues Line SB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ZYZrrj2IA Blues Line NB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wsmXP5Cp2o Brown Line SB & NB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wsmXP5Cp2o Orange Line NB & SB |
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Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Nov 24 02:01:11 2014, in response to Chicago CTA Videos Are Back, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Nov 23 12:03:20 2014. Excellent, that's really cool.Here are some links: Red Line: 95th to Howard and Howard to 95th Blue Line: Forest Park to O'hare and O'hare to Forest Park Brown Line: Around the Loop. Orange Line: Around the Loop Worth mentioning that the video can be slowed down in Youtube by selecting the settings cog in the lower right hand side where annotations and video quality can be adjusted. Selecting "Normal" and turning it down to 0.5 or 0.25 makes it appear to be more like a series of stills shown around 1 frame per second, but it allows a more detailed view of each frame. I'm amazed by the degree to which they allow trains to be delayed by work crews on the tracks. But then I guess they don't really have a whole lot of room to clear up from the tracks. Any idea how far the bellmouth north of Clark/Lake on the Blue lines go? The clarity underground kinda makes those who claimed predominantly subway based lines wouldn't be worthwhile look a bit foolish. Pretty sure the abandoned stations along the Congress line might be in better shape than the in service stations. |
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O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Nov 24 02:14:55 2014, in response to Chicago CTA Videos Are Back, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Nov 23 12:03:20 2014. I meant to ask, in the Forest Park to O'hare video, as the train arrives at O'hare, are the series of timer signals that clear as the train proceeds down the platform something that was implemented after the train climbed the escalator from the center track? Or were they always there? I'm afraid every time I've used O'hare I was dragging a bag with me and in no position to gawk at those things. |
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Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back |
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Posted by The silence on Mon Nov 24 08:11:29 2014, in response to Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back, posted by WillD on Mon Nov 24 02:01:11 2014. Predomidintly subway lines in New Yotk are no where near that well light. |
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Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Nov 24 09:23:55 2014, in response to Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back, posted by The silence on Mon Nov 24 08:11:29 2014. You're just digging the hole deeper. Give up. You're wrong. |
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Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Nov 24 09:24:43 2014, in response to Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back, posted by WillD on Mon Nov 24 02:01:11 2014. Agreed about the Silence.I'd love to see stills of the abandoned stations you refer to. |
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Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 24 09:58:25 2014, in response to Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Nov 24 09:24:43 2014. Google may be of some help:View Larger Map |
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Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 24 10:01:52 2014, in response to Chicago CTA Videos Are Back, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Nov 23 12:03:20 2014. |
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Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 24 10:06:26 2014, in response to Chicago CTA Videos Are Back, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sun Nov 23 12:03:20 2014. |
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Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Nov 24 10:07:42 2014, in response to Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back, posted by WillD on Mon Nov 24 02:01:11 2014. First....thanks for the links. Second lap top fell to the floor. I'm learning I should write passwords and handles down. Mac remembers but that doesn't help when it doesn't work at at.I had to look up "bellmouth" LOL. Chicago Initial Subway was planned in 1937-38. The Feds proposed a subway west on Lake St. The Feds and the city agreed to go up Milwaukee Ave. instead. It only goes about 75 ft. The tubes are at different depths so any junction would have been a flying junction. On the south side of the subway because the tubes were climbing to go up to the elevated, so the connection for future tracks goes down. Of course, these connections where later used to connect to the Dan Ryan. The stations on the Congress line will never get used. West of Cicero Ave, the state is planning a complete rehab of I-290 including the CTA. The Blue line was the first in the nation to completely use fluorescent lighting in the 1950s. All Chicago subways are brightly lit. DH |
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Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Nov 24 10:12:54 2014, in response to Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 24 10:01:52 2014. Good presentation.DH |
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Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Nov 24 12:33:46 2014, in response to Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 24 09:58:25 2014. Thanks. |
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Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 25 12:41:43 2014, in response to Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back, posted by WillD on Mon Nov 24 02:01:11 2014. The Pink line video is now up. |
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Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Nov 25 13:53:52 2014, in response to Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 25 12:41:43 2014. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for this video.chud1. :).... |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Dec 9 15:42:16 2014, in response to O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by WillD on Mon Nov 24 02:14:55 2014. I suspect those are new. Why they didn't just change the cab signal to a lower speed I have no idea. |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Dec 9 18:12:30 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Dec 9 15:42:16 2014. Irwin should be able to answer the question although I don't know if he was qualified on the Blue Line. |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Dec 9 20:05:53 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by Dave on Tue Dec 9 18:12:30 2014. I wouldn't trust anything he says. He's just like SelkirkTMO. You'd think they'd know what they're talking about when it comes to train operations, but... |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Dec 9 20:35:54 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Dec 9 20:05:53 2014. Brian, ChuchuBob and I rode with Irwin in 2001 back when he was at the handles. He knows his stuff, as far as we could tell. |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 9 23:09:09 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by Dave on Tue Dec 9 20:35:54 2014. Is/was he sane? |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 10 02:15:55 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Dec 9 15:42:16 2014. Probably because cab signal drops aren't really a positive train control. There's nothing in the system to stop the train if it does not respond to the change in cab signal. |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 10 02:35:24 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by WillD on Wed Dec 10 02:15:55 2014. you obviously haven't been aboard a CTA train which failed to obey. I hopw Irwin our resident Chicago Motorman can clarify |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 10 02:52:59 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 10 02:35:24 2014. There would obviously be penalty brake applications to the speed required to safely stop as the cab signal speed drops. But with any sort of defect impacting the cab signal pickup or application, or for any train operating with the cab signal system bypassed, there would be nothing to keep the train from entering at a higher speed and possibly striking the bumping block. With timer circuits the tripper will dump if it's travelling faster than the speed specified by the timer. |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 03:00:46 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Dec 9 20:05:53 2014. Well, Selkirk TMO and Irwin should certainly know a lot more about what they’re talking about than certain individuals on this board who never held any sort of operating title on a transportation system!!! |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 03:07:36 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by WillD on Wed Dec 10 02:52:59 2014. A defect in any sort of speed controlling signal system could have the same effect. The usual effect of a failure even with cab signal apparatus cut out, is the most restricted condition available, therefore if there is some sort of failure, the train would have to operate at the slowest speed. I have been to O’Hare station may times and the allowable speed entering seemed a little fast considering NYCTA standards. I recall that articles about the collision indicated that the entry speed was 25 MPH as opposed to the 10 MPH (and in some cases even less) on the NYCTA. |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 10 04:03:10 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 03:00:46 2014. Nah, I'll give him his full herp-derp here ... the boy is a trainmaster, full MTA management material. (grin)Besides ... the railroad absolutely does not work like it did in our time, so maybe he's on to something. :) |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 10 04:07:37 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 03:07:36 2014. A defect in any sort of speed controlling signal system could have the same effect.Yes, but using a series of timers puts the positive enforcement of the speed control on the trip stops associated with the timers. It separates things, so that all speed control is not dependent upon the cab signal pickup or processing. The usual effect of a failure even with cab signal apparatus cut out, is the most restricted condition available, therefore if there is some sort of failure, the train would have to operate at the slowest speed. But the T/O may not be aware they have a cab signal or ATP failure. It could be a wrong side failure that develops between Rosemont and O'hare They may be somehow inhibited in their operation and thus the cab signal speed drops are effectively as worthless as their arrangements prior to the crash. It's extremely unlikely that would ever happen, but the CTA cannot be seen to be allowing a crash happen at O'hare again. I have been to O’Hare station may times and the allowable speed entering seemed a little fast considering NYCTA standards. Well everything is fast by NYCTA standards. Snails are downright reckless in their extreme velocity compared to the average NYCT subway. People in other cities have places to go and don't want to spend forever and a day on the slow boat to Chinatown. |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 10 08:22:28 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by WillD on Wed Dec 10 04:07:37 2014. Well everything is fast by NYCTA standards. Snails are downright reckless in their extreme velocity compared to the average NYCT subway. People in other cities have places to go and don't want to spend forever and a day on the slow boat to Chinatown.QFFT |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 10 08:25:16 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 03:00:46 2014. Well, Selkirk TMO and Irwin should certainly know a lot more about what they’re talking about than certain individuals on this board who never held any sort of operating title on a transportation system!!!You'd think so, right?? But you'd be wrong, at least with regards to SelkirkTMO. SelkirkTMO has been WRONG countless times on subjects relating to the NYC Subway. He really has no idea what he is talking about. |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 10 10:44:37 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by Dave on Tue Dec 9 18:12:30 2014. No I never qualified on the Blue Line, so I don't know if the time controlled signals speeds were reduced. The train in that video did not arrive into the same pocket as the train that went up the escalator. It was the pocket to the left of it. I do know for a fact that the cab signal coming into O'Hare prior to the accident was 25mph, it has since been reduced to 15 mph. |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 13:11:09 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 10 04:03:10 2014. ROTFLMFAO! |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 13:11:42 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 10 08:25:16 2014. And you know better? |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 13:55:29 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 10 10:44:37 2014. Even 15 seems a bit excessive although that was the prescribed speed on NYCTA until even with that a few M/M hit the block and so it was reduced to 10 MPH. In fact the grade time signals at some terminals seem more like they are set for 5 MPH. I’m curious as to why you never qualified on the Blue Line. On the NYCTA crews are qualified on all lines of their respective divisions. I thought CTA did the same thing. Not that I am making light of the CTA system by any means since it is my second favorite system to the NYCTA, but the entire CTA has the same number of lines as the IRT and the B division has even more lines so I don’t understand why CTA doesn’t qualify its operators on all its lines. |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Dec 10 15:03:00 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 13:11:42 2014. Where did I say that??? And what do I have to do with this??? We're talking about how SelkirkTMO, a former motorman in the NYC Subway, has answered many questions wrong about the NYC Subway. He provided those answers as facts but they were anything but. So using him as an example, I'm saying that you shouldn't be so quick to assume that CMM knows his stuff just because he was a former train operator as well. |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Dec 10 15:08:31 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 13:11:09 2014. Figures. |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 16:32:34 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Dec 10 15:03:00 2014. Well they certainly know more than individuals who have never held any operating title on a transit system! |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Dec 10 21:00:33 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by randyo on Wed Dec 10 16:32:34 2014. No, that's not necessarily true at all! Others who aren't idiots know a lot and some seem to know more than SelkirkTMO. |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 11 13:27:15 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Dec 10 21:00:33 2014. Proff? |
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Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 11 21:57:09 2014, in response to Re: O'hare Signals (was: Re: Chicago CTA Videos Are Back), posted by randyo on Thu Dec 11 13:27:15 2014. Re: FUCK 207th st YD (50077) |
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